Karkov Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Everyone likes different things so this is kind of relative but... (wasn't gonna make a thread but meh) I got a Crescendo s800/4 to run 8 Crescendo PWX 6's but only have 2 hooked up for now. Amp = 4x130 watts @4ohms which is what it is at, actually 130 x2 the way I have it now. anyway, so I heard these mids are loud and clear...mine are not. Crescendo says they are playable 80 hertz to 5600 hertz and 150 watts RMS so I run them active with HPF set to 80 and everything set with DD1 and CC1 with the gain backed down a bit more for headroom and just to prevent issues, so basically under powering them. Yes I know max undistorted volume of HU. SHCA OFC wire, proper electrical etc. They sound mono tone and not as loud and clear as I had hoped...not at all. Even using the HU EQ they sure aren't very....good? Again, subjective as everyone would think something different. I basically got no frontstage ATM so i hooked these up just to have SOMETHING. I thought two of them would scream, one in each door, one on each channel of the amp at 4 ohm. What else should I try? What are your guys thoughts on these mids those of you who own(ed) them? I follow DD1 and CC1 instructions to a "T". Do they just need more EQ'ing? A video will not help so I am not posting one. Am I off for thinking this way about these speakers? I know no one can actually tell me much since this is all personal preference but is there another direction I should head? thoughts? ideas? Was hoping they were plug, play, forget, but no way! 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainStryke Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Could we see some pictures of their placement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkov Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Could we see some pictures of their placement? I am at work all day but here is a pic. of my exact door panel. They are placed where the factory grill piece is but they are mounted TO the door panel so the face of the mid is like right there. Messed with gain up and down to see if it made any difference, not much. Messed with EQ'ing which I believe to be the culprit but they only got either more monotone or too harsh/bright so maybe I am just not impressed with them, IDK. thought they would be loud and clear with minimal tuning but guess I was wrong or am expecting too much. When I do the "distance test" they sound good so maybe it's that they are faced so low. IDK, I am noob. 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aculous Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 They sound mono tone and not as loud and clear as I had hoped...not at all. Even using the HU EQ they sure aren't very....good? Again, subjective as everyone would think something different. I basically got no frontstage ATM so i hooked these up just to have SOMETHING. I thought two of them would scream, one in each door, one on each channel of the amp at 1 ohm. Maybe this is a dumb question but aren't they 4 ohm speakers and you are running them at 1 ohm? Or am I reading this wrong, the impression I got is that you are running 1 speaker per door and not the 4 that you will eventually run correct? Doubt a carbon mid needs a shitload of power to get loud, should be really efficient. Do you have access to a measurement mic? may be worth it to measure it with REW and you can see if the drivers may need a different crossover point or something like that. Also I think you can measure distortion with REW too...haven't tried it yet though I've always found that if the driver doesn't sound decent at first you end up fucking with it until it just pisses you off enough that you swap it for something different. Also PA drivers are a pain to tune in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 do you have tweeters? Rest in peace, walled 87 accord build log 03' Corolla build with AA Mayhem inside. My super random youtube channel and terrible camera work. Wiring comparison by CaptainzPlanetz Wire and fuse guide by Guest SyKo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aculous Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 do you have tweeters? I was guessing it was the ft1s in the sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkov Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Oops, so sorry, meant to say 4 ohms (fixed now). so amp is 130 x 4 @ 4 ohm 210 x 4 @ 2 ohm planning to run 8 of them eventually, 2 per channel @ 2 ohm. right now only running 2 total, 1 per front two channels. Yes, they are each SVC 4 ohm speakers. I have the super tweets in my sig. but have not installed them yet, virtually have no front stage ATM so I threw these into the doors just to have SOMETHING. Eventually I believe the PWX and FT1 will be paired well together. (if set up properly) Yea, heard that too but I don't think I have ever used PA drivers or pro audio or whatever you want to call it. Heard these were loud and clear and since I am in no way going for SQ I thought I would try them since their price is on point. Kind of hoped they were plug and play, I know they aren't full range but I expected them to be a little different...(better?) I am noob when it comes to that REW stuff. PM me if need be or continue to discuss in this thread but what else can be done, with REW, how, etc? I don't have access to mic. measurement. Since Kylar had his crossed at 63 hertz (different mids) i tried 71 initially, didn't like, then 80, then 100, then 125, then started messing with the EQ on HU, I have no other processing (KISS) is my motto because I am noob. With the DD1 I should be safe with the gain as high as 1/3 but I started with 1/4 for the headroom, figured they wouldn't need much to be good, tried 1/3 and tried 1/8 and all the way down, they didn't "come alive". I know everything I try is VERY limited. Thought about maybe a 360.0 or 360.1, .2, .3 but I am not computer savvy at all sooo.....was hoping for simple yet loud and clear set up active soooo...maybe I need to go back to passive, but I already got these, lol. pain to tune huh, hmm........ 2007 Chevy Tahoe (SOLD) 12 ~ FI Audio X series 10" w/BP option 2 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @0.67 3 ~ DC Audio 5.0K @1.0 2 ~ PPI 3 way sets (not installed yet) 1 ~ RF T400-4, 1 ~ RF T600-2, 1 ~ RF T600-4 4 ~ CT Sounds 5.25" Strato comps (rear fill only) 1 ~ XS Power D4800 1 ~ XS Power D3400 8 ~ XS Power XP3000 160 stock alt, Mechman 370 Elite, 185 DC Power 320+ Sq. Ft. Sound Deadener Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reedal Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 You could try taking them out and listening to them angled differently. Maybe they need to be sealed off from the rest of the door, instead. SMD Tool Map https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/193176-smd-tool-map-new-november-2014/ Build log https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/197217-reeds-03-tahoe-hat-sqaq-singer-xs-shca-cockbox-80prs/?page=32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reedal Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I only say that cause I've heard SoundQubed's components vented to the door and they're not that loud, I'm about to find out how they're PA's sound sealed (different t/s I know, but I still have the components. I'll let you know how the PA's sound sealed if you check out my build log. Then vented into the doors. Gotta wait for them to come back in stock. SMD Tool Map https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/193176-smd-tool-map-new-november-2014/ Build log https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/197217-reeds-03-tahoe-hat-sqaq-singer-xs-shca-cockbox-80prs/?page=32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainStryke Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Without some kind of tweet it's not going to sound that great for the front stage. I know my component mids are very underwhelming without my tweets, but they do compliment the system as a whole... and yes, angle is everything. Getting those tweets to aim towards your head is going to make a huge difference. I know it did in my car when I switched from the Pioneer 4 ways in the doors near the floor like yours are positioned over to a pair of components with tweets faced towards my head built in right behind the mirrors on the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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