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  1. You are correct I did mess that up. One guy was not even hit, but the mother and daughter were both injured in the first shooting. The mother took rounds in the back. Regardeless, a white guy sure doesnt match Dorners description, neither does a mother and daughter delivering newspapers. I understand the urgency with which the police wanted to catch this guy, but before smashing into citizens trucks and opening fire, one would assume it to be a prudent decision to make a positive ID on the people in the vehicles. Just more proof that LAPD is a wild reckless department IMO. As for who started the fire, its very clear if you listen to the recordings from police scanners. The police started the fire. theres some of it, and theres more if you are keen with google. You can clearly here them discussing "preparing the burner", deploying the burner, confirming the house is indeed on fire etc.... Also I find it funny the while watching live coverage last night, it was kind of ironic that right about the same time they start saying they think the cabins on fire, all the media helicopters were then asked to fly higher and not zoom in on the cabin.... gotta make ya wonder just a bit. and really, it makes sense, if all the stuff Dorner said about how fucked up LAPD is, the easiest way to handle the situation is to make sure Dorner is dead, that way after a week or so, everyone will forget it ever happened, and nothing bad about the LAPD would be brought to light in Dorners trial. Think about it, almost makes a bit to much sense. And youre a tool for liking your own post.
    5 points
  2. It does have triple 1/0 inputs so it could be....
    4 points
  3. you have this thing about rooting for muderer's? i would say it does make you a bad person. Kind of a real shit head.
    4 points
  4. You're a fucking asshole. 2 LEO's with families have lost their lives. FUCK YOU.
    4 points
  5. as for trying to bring him in alive... your from the LEO family, you tell me... One would assume said armored bobcat would be more than capable of punching a hole in the wall of the cabin allowing access, or perhaps a well timed entry team along with flash bangs and a distraction of some sort, perhaps even bringing in a negotiator to try and talk him out, or the ever popular wait him out game that has also been used in the past. There was pretty much zero effort put into getting him out of the house and arresting him. Hell, a well placed shot from a sniper team at the right time couldve wounded/incapacitated him allowing an entry team to go to work and take him into custody. There are many many tactics that could have been pursued but were not. It all seemed very very rushed yesterday, did they bring in negotiators? NO, did they in fact confirm it was Dorner? NO, Did they confirm that he was in fact without a doubt alone in the house? NO,... and the list goes on and on Chris....I have always been under the impression that LEO are here to protect and serve, while remaining inside the constraints of the laws and rights we have. As of late there are more and more examples of this not being the case. It is beginning to seem the motto have indeed changed "to punish and enslave". I would love to see a LEO"guidebook" that can explain how and why burning down a cabin to kill who is inside/ or to force him outside into a hail of gunfire had he tried to escape (which would also kill him), is in any way, SOP (standard operating procedure). Last time I checked, Manson, Gacy, Dahlmer were all granted due process, and they were much more twisted and killed more/responsible for more deaths then Dorner. So because he crossed the thin blue line and tried to stand up for what was right, only to have his entire world stripped from him, that allows the LEO's involved to also strip away his granted rights to due process? If thats the case, then it needs to go the other way too, if a cop is accused of doing something wrong, then lets not even look into it. Let's just can his ass, strip his badge, and tell him to kick rocks and go get on unemployment..... As for whoever mentioned why he didnt kill the people whose truck he stole, read his manifesto that he left on FB, his rage was very, very directed. He had no beef with Joe Citizen, he had a beef with LAPD and those who stood in his way. That is why he didnt kill those other people or take hostages. They were not part of the problem in his mind. Like I said repeatedly... This was purposefully done to end Dorners rampage, but more so to make sure the was no trial that could risk bringing to light the corruption of the LAPD. Also as stated earlier, for all those involved, I am happy this has most likely come to an end and that there will be no more bloodshed over this. But I am disgusted in the manner in which it was resolved. A gross violation of our rights, regardless of circumstance, is NOT the correct answer. Ever. This tragic series of events will also unfortunately be used as another stepping stone to push NoBama and Feinsteins gun control, which sadly, will allow more and more gross violations of our constitutionally granted rights, seeing as we will no longer be able to defend ourselves, be it from criminals, crooked ass cops, or big brother itself. What went down yesterday was a series of poorly timed, improper decisions regarding this matter. When LEO begin to throw our rights out the window, it makes me worried. That is the first line of a citizens defense against anything injust. I might catch some heat for this next part, and no disrespect to the members here that I know are LEO or related to LEO, but I pity those in uniform who try to strip my rights, be it my right to due process, my right to say as I please, or my right to keep and bear arms... I dont care who you are, or what agency your tin says you represent, try to strip my rights and I'll make this fiasco look like fucking romper room. Ive tangled with LEO over my rights before, kicked their ass that time. Ill do it again, by force if necessary.
    3 points
  6. So is anyone going to mention the 3 innocent people killed by LAPD, in two seperate incidents, just because they were in vehicles that matched the description of what Dorner was driving? Not that it justifies any of this, but still worth mentioning, seeing as racism and abuse of power are the things that ignited all of this... Sounds to me like some of what Dorner had problems with was true. I am in no way justifying Dorners actions, but by the same token, there is now proof ( recordings from police scanners) that they (the police) purposefully set the cabin on fire. I think that they had absolutely no intentions of bringing Dorner in alive, because the issues he had with LAPD and its corruption are true, they knew if they brought him in alive, a lot of those things would come to light and things would be all bad for LAPD. So the easiest way to resolve all of this was to make sure Dorner was dead. regardless of his actions, justified or not, a murderer or not, Dorner was a citizen of this country and is granted the same rights that the rest of us are. He was/is granted the right to trial, just like all of us. Also I feel that going back earlier in the evening the "cover up" started to hide their(LAPD etc.) actions regarding this matter, such as Bachmann(?), her answers for everything were "I dont know", which is an easy way to deflect lying to the media. Also I find it funny that right about the same time the cabin magically caught fire, all the helicopters covering the events were commanded to fly at a higher altitude and to not zoom in on the cabin ( again allowing things to happen without people seeing what was going on.). Moral of the story here IMO, the shit Dorner had a problem with is absolutely true, the is corruption and issues within the LAPD, there have been for years and years. I feel that the "conclusion" of all these tragic events, was played out exactly how the LAPD wanted it to be played out. If dorner is dead, people are safe, and so is the LAPD from scrutiny from higher powers. His side of the story, true or not, justified or not, will never fully come to light. I feel they purposefully tried to kill him by setting the cabin on fire for 2 reasons, one to stop a madman on a rampage, and two, to cover their own asses from being investigated for being a twisted, racist, abusive police force. My feelings and loyalties towards this are just a big mash up right now, albeit Dorner lost any support from me once he killed that innocent girl. She had nothing to do with this. By the same token, I feel that if it was indeed Dorner in that cabin, he was purposefully killed to cover up a larger issue, that being the corruption of the police force. Which, regardless of what has went down, and regardless of Dorner killing people, he is granted the same rights as the rest of us. A right to a trial, etc. As a staunch supporter of the bill of right, I do have to take issue with this aspect, for if I dont, I am a hypocrite. Like the old saying " I may not agree with what you have to say, although I'll give my life defending your right to do so..." or something to that effect.
    3 points
  7. here is my next message from anothe false account I don't think you understand, your amp it worth much more than $400.00, please accept a payment from me for $3,000, I will pay shipping also, please reply asap for address.
    3 points
  8. 3 points
  9. I think the bottom line here is whether we like it or not, his rights were violated in that fire. The other side of it is, we DON'T KNOW THE FACTS! Every report I've read in the last two days say that he "allegedly" did those things, killed the two people on superbowl sunday, killed the office and wounded another. etc etc. But what we don't know is what was initiated. There was, as far as I could tell by reports, no evidence showing that it was him other than the manifesto saying he was going to do something. How doe we know he wasn't doing that shit to call out the bad guys. Another thing is, if he was on this major killing spree and not defending himself, why didn't he kill the guy and his dog who he carjacked yesterday? There's alot of suspicion in this case, and alot of it will probably never be answered. This man was an expert with a rifle and a handgun according to the pentagon. I highly doubt, even being shot at, that he would be missing with that many rounds, in which he was in this shootout. Maybe he would, I don't know, I'm not a marksman or an expert. There's just too much to this story that's missing and with the LAPD behind it all, the answers will never come out as the truth, unless that isn't him there in the cabin. I still think he planned this place as a place to hide in if something went shitty. He was up there for 4 days. There are approximately 10% of the normal occupants up there which means 90% of the cabins are vacant and unoccupied. We're not talking about some guy who would sit still cause it's a little cold outside or he might get wet walking through the snow. He was probably thankful for the weather. I know I know I've watched too many movies, but you cannot sit here and tell me none of this is a possibility. And until they positively identify this body as Christopher Dorner's, I would not be letting my guard down! NO WAY! My heart goes out to those officers who were injured and that lost their lives, it really does. It sux and it's terrible, but I think we ought to refrain from "blaming" Christopher Dorner for all that's happened until we're sure that it's not LAPD that's at fault. Don't start with the "I can't believe you would support him" bullshit. That just makes you ignorant for thinking that I am. I'm in support of the truth and only the truth! The problem is, we'll probably never now the truth! And if you don't think I'm being real, then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal It's not the first time something like this has been alleged! All I want to know is the damn truth. And I want to have the responsible parties for the crimes committed, whether it be Dorner or LAPD officers, and whoever else is involved, to pay for their actions. The probablem, again, is it will never happen, especially if Dorner is dead! That's all I have. Don't mean to piss anyone off, I'm just being real about the situation. NONE of it is a good thing!
    2 points
  10. wait your not participating? are you the 9k seller? JUST KIDDING
    2 points
  11. Or get at least his email address, so that can be given to a mod here, and if he's a member here, he can get called out on it and labeled as a scammer.
    2 points
  12. I like the mess with his head Do that op and post the convo Here For some laughs
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  13. And upon further inspection, the amp itself is legit. The Craigslist ad is a scam. The actual owner of the amp is Bill, from New York http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/mono-amplifiers/144775-dc-audio-9kw.html The Craigslist seller is Mike, from Illinois? Something isn't adding up with that CL ad.
    2 points
  14. you have this thing about rooting for muderer's? i would say it does make you a bad person. Kind of a real shit head. I'm not rooting for him, but they've already lit up two cars trying to kill him without warning . What are they trying to hide?
    2 points
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  16. hahaha including an aircraft prepared to take off into mexico
    1 point
  17. From what I heard last night when the cabin owners son called into CNN, those cabins were searched two days prior by LEO. so most likely the only weapons Dorner had were what he was able to carry, so I would assume, based on his training etc... a rifle of some sort with mags and ammo, and perhaps a side arm with the same, not an entire arsenal. but I mean where are the reports of ANY weapons found in the cabin. Im sure once they get the whole cover up story figured out, we will be told that he had a bazooka, and some bombs, and 3 dead hookers in the basement. Dead hookers in the basement.....................................
    1 point
  18. Also where were his guns? Did they find any in the truck or in the cabin?? Wtf the public has been totally left out of information
    1 point
  19. You prob couldn't even sue them. They have too much power and everyone is connected a judge could say too bad you matched the description of the killer and were in the area. Sucks for you
    1 point
  20. You are correct I did mess that up. One guy was not even hit, but the mother and daughter were both injured in the first shooting. The mother took rounds in the back.Regardeless, a white guy sure doesnt match Dorners description, neither does a mother and daughter delivering newspapers. I understand the urgency with which the police wanted to catch this guy, but before smashing into citizens trucks and opening fire, one would assume it to be a prudent decision to make a positive ID on the people in the vehicles. Just more proof that LAPD is a wild reckless department IMO. As for who started the fire, its very clear if you listen to the recordings from police scanners. The police started the fire. theres some of it, and theres more if you are keen with google. You can clearly here them discussing "preparing the burner", deploying the burner, confirming the house is indeed on fire etc.... Also I find it funny the while watching live coverage last night, it was kind of ironic that right about the same time they start saying they think the cabins on fire, all the media helicopters were then asked to fly higher and not zoom in on the cabin.... gotta make ya wonder just a bit. and really, it makes sense, if all the stuff Dorner said about how fucked up LAPD is, the easiest way to handle the situation is to make sure Dorner is dead, that way after a week or so, everyone will forget it ever happened, and nothing bad about the LAPD would be brought to light in Dorners trial. Think about it, almost makes a bit to much sense. And youre a tool for liking your own post. I understand that LAPD has issues...dirty cops scandals and such... But you realize they weren't lead on this..it was SanBernardino Sheriffs..my uncle one of them...his close friend was killed yesterday by the asshole in the cabin. They ask them to not zoom in so they don't show their tactical locations...and at the end of the day I don't give two shits if one of those cops put a bullet in that man or he did it himself... He killed that girl and her fiance for no reason...shot at Sherrifs deputies..injured one killed the other..POS got what he deserved. As for crooked cops they're pieces of shit too...but LAPD wasn't lead in Big Bear..not their juristiction and not the ones involved in the shootout. and yeah police started a fire...big whoop..they gased him and he wouldn't come out or give up so they used the armored bobcat...(look up SWAT Bobcat its cool) and used that to provide cover while they did. Good tactics...I wouldn't want to be lead going into that house against him..and they didn't need anymore dead LEO's. As for not zooming in to reveal their "tactical" locations, thats complete bullshit. So it was ok for their "tactical" positions to be zoomed in on and revealed for hours beforehand, but suddenly once they are going to set the house on fire, they need to conceal these positions? Bullshit. I am pretty sure Dorner was more then well aware he was surrounded, not to mention a majority of their perimeter was under the cover of trees, and only the property immediately surrounding the cabin was clear and visible. Dont try to beat me down here, Im glad its over and done with and happy Dorner wont continue on his spree, by the same token, I am disgusted at the blatant disrespect for our constitutionally granted rights exhibited here. If they can throw the bill of rights out the window for Dorner, and just kill him instead of bringing him to trial they can do it to anyone. Especially with our "great" POTUS and his new laws about being able to kill americans at will without due process if they are suspected of terrorist activity. Im not flying off the hook..I know your not approving of Dorners actions...and yeah he might have had info that would bring LAPD to their knees or whatever..all Im saying is that when it comes to law enforcement they are not all the same....Can you explain further on how to take him alive? They drove an armored bobcat up in there just so none of them got shot when they threw gas canisters into the cabin. He was shooting randomly out the windows and had already shot two deputies earlier...as far as if its Dorner it doesn't matter..the suspect inside already killed one cop wounded another. When someone is in a tactical advantage such as barricaded in a house..armed how do you take them alive? Even if it wasn't Dorner...t He was gassed and the cabin set on fire..if there was a time to come out with a white flag that would have been it....Im not saying fuck everyones rights but if he would've came out with his hands up unarmed they would have taken him into custody...the choice between life or death wasn't on the LEO's that was on him. Im not offended by anyones opinion and not trying to argue here..just joining in the discussion. I wanna know how you would take him alive?\ And i support good cops..im trying to become an officer one day myself...but LAPD..they are fucked up and I would never join their ranks. Work dform the inside is they are due for another "Rampart" but bigger Either you know some things we don't or you are misinterpreting some info pretty badly. They said there was a SINGLE shot that came from inside the cabin when the gas was thrown in, and the sound of bullets exploding after the fire had started. So where did you get your info about him unloading when they got close enough to throw the gas?
    1 point
  21. You are correct I did mess that up. One guy was not even hit, but the mother and daughter were both injured in the first shooting. The mother took rounds in the back. Regardeless, a white guy sure doesnt match Dorners description, neither does a mother and daughter delivering newspapers. I understand the urgency with which the police wanted to catch this guy, but before smashing into citizens trucks and opening fire, one would assume it to be a prudent decision to make a positive ID on the people in the vehicles. Just more proof that LAPD is a wild reckless department IMO. As for who started the fire, its very clear if you listen to the recordings from police scanners. The police started the fire. theres some of it, and theres more if you are keen with google. You can clearly here them discussing "preparing the burner", deploying the burner, confirming the house is indeed on fire etc.... Also I find it funny the while watching live coverage last night, it was kind of ironic that right about the same time they start saying they think the cabins on fire, all the media helicopters were then asked to fly higher and not zoom in on the cabin.... gotta make ya wonder just a bit. and really, it makes sense, if all the stuff Dorner said about how fucked up LAPD is, the easiest way to handle the situation is to make sure Dorner is dead, that way after a week or so, everyone will forget it ever happened, and nothing bad about the LAPD would be brought to light in Dorners trial. Think about it, almost makes a bit to much sense. And youre a tool for liking your own post. I understand that LAPD has issues...dirty cops scandals and such... But you realize they weren't lead on this..it was SanBernardino Sheriffs..my uncle one of them...his close friend was killed yesterday by the asshole in the cabin. They ask them to not zoom in so they don't show their tactical locations...and at the end of the day I don't give two shits if one of those cops put a bullet in that man or he did it himself... He killed that girl and her fiance for no reason...shot at Sherrifs deputies..injured one killed the other..POS got what he deserved. As for crooked cops they're pieces of shit too...but LAPD wasn't lead in Big Bear..not their juristiction and not the ones involved in the shootout. and yeah police started a fire...big whoop..they gased him and he wouldn't come out or give up so they used the armored bobcat...(look up SWAT Bobcat its cool) and used that to provide cover while they did. Good tactics...I wouldn't want to be lead going into that house against him..and they didn't need anymore dead LEO's. Nowhere did I say I advocated what Dorner did you got that part right? And further more, regardless of what he did or didnt do, he is still protected by the same bill of rights that we are. It appeared very minimal effort went into taking him alive. LAPD is a shitbag of a police force, period. And regardless of who "had the lead" in Big Bear yesterday, its all one in the same when it comes to the thin blue line isnt it? All Im saying is I think less effort went into capturing him then there should have been. It seems as if the goal at hand was to kill him and be done with it, not to bring him into custody. Furthermore, according to the sheriffs departments own rep, at the time they set the house on fire, they still had not made a positive ID on who was or was not in the house. By no means am I saying Dorner was right in anything he did, but I am also saying it appears plenty of mistakes and shadyness have went on with this as well, and sadly if dorner was indeed killed yesterday, the entire story will never be known. You cannot argue with that. If the accusations made by Dorner about LAPD are true (which they are) the easiest way for the situation to be handled was to make sure Dorner is dead, that way there is no trial, no risk (or at least one less chance) of the LAPD being help responsible for being the shitbag organization it has become. So please, get a good grasp of what Im saying before you fly off the hook. Nowhere did I say I thought DOrners cause was just, nor did I defend his actions. He was a nut that needed to be stopped. Properly. Not murdered. If you support the bill of rights, and the freedoms we have as citizens, you need to take a step back and realize that if indeed the fire was started by the "police" that makes it more clear their intent was never to bring him in alive. That, is a disgusting violation of a citizens rights. We are all entitled to due process, regardless of the heinous actions we take. As for not zooming in to reveal their "tactical" locations, thats complete bullshit. So it was ok for their "tactical" positions to be zoomed in on and revealed for hours beforehand, but suddenly once they are going to set the house on fire, they need to conceal these positions? Bullshit. I am pretty sure Dorner was more then well aware he was surrounded, not to mention a majority of their perimeter was under the cover of trees, and only the property immediately surrounding the cabin was clear and visible. Dont try to beat me down here, Im glad its over and done with and happy Dorner wont continue on his spree, by the same token, I am disgusted at the blatant disrespect for our constitutionally granted rights exhibited here. If they can throw the bill of rights out the window for Dorner, and just kill him instead of bringing him to trial they can do it to anyone. Especially with our "great" POTUS and his new laws about being able to kill americans at will without due process if they are suspected of terrorist activity.
    1 point
  22. [e name=sayhuh?" post="2343968" timestamp="1360778881]Not sure yet. Hasn't been released. Tell you what though, he seemed very well educated and of sound mind (although thrown over the edge). His letter was well written. Not saying it's just into his criminal acts, but maybe the LAPD and other PDs should be investigated regularly. He isn't the first cop to state the more obvious of trending 'policies' of LAPD and others. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/dorner-manifesto/index.html I completely agree every department should be investigated.. It will just show just who really is protecting who ..
    1 point
  23. Just to add to how incompetent and reckless LAPD is, the truck the mother and daughter were driving, was not even the same color as Dorners. Way to be LAPD. If that had happened to my family, my wife, my daughter, I'd own that entire department. I would also press for aggravated assault and/or attempted murder charges to be brought on the dimwits that wrongly shot up my shit. That is inexcusable, no ifs and or buts about it. Especially the truck that wasnt even the same color. Keepin my big white ass outta LA, based on current events, they might mistake my 6'4'' 260lb self for a midget of a different race that's on the run and shoot the fuck outta me.
    1 point
  24. I can't agree anymore with you bigsix. When I heard about them the first though that came to mind was, "what the fuck, did they forget to check who's actually driving?!" Something is definetely wrong. Edit: To be honest too, if I was one of the victims that had the same truck, I would get the best lawyer on the planet earth and sue the living shit out of the LAPD. Yes he is a cop killer, but they still need to think sensibly, how can we put our trust of protection into them when they act hot headidly and not calming and smoothly. Just my .02. I am not agreeing with his actions either, for those that get easily booty hurt.
    1 point
  25. LAPD didn't kill the 3 people they shot at. Also, it is unclear who started the fire along with many other details about the incident that we'll never likely know the truth about. But I think most people can agree he wasn't going to come away from this alive.
    1 point
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  27. That seems like a no. Not yet. When he gets the 500, then he'll have them. So if you ordered a VM-1... shoot him an email and ask for one. He'll send when he gets. I'd also make sure to include your order # and such in the email.
    1 point
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  29. Op if what haters is saying is true jump on that amp asap
    1 point
  30. Copy the img code And you can paste multiple links on one post
    1 point
  31. http://db.tt/9sLmoMGW. Sorry guys. One by one till I figure this shit out
    1 point
  32. good enough for me! gonna be keeping an eye on this build!
    1 point
  33. Don't get your feelings hurt but I think a lot of conspiracy theories are bullshit. Including any conspiracy in these events.
    1 point
  34. I use imageshack. Either way, just upload them somehow and when you get them uploaded, post them here like this Good luck uploading note^ the space after the img shouldnt be there, but it showed up like when I didnt put the space there
    1 point
  35. you know what im kinda happy he took it into his own hands cops are just another gang of thugs these days bring it to supreme court they even say there not there to protect and serve us the people he is after did some fucked up things
    1 point
  36. You have 2 level 4 and 1 2k?
    1 point
  37. I have a pretty good feeling he got away.
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  39. Apparently NEWS10 (here in Sacramento) has said that the news sites have said that the police scanners have been turned off and they no longer are able to get reports from them. Doesn't that seem a little fishy? Is that back to cover their ass cause they allowed him to get away? Interesting!
    1 point
  40. you have this thing about rooting for muderer's? i would say it does make you a bad person. Kind of a real shit head.I'm not rooting for him, but they've already lit up two cars trying to kill him without warning . What are they trying to hide?please don't tell me you are one of THOSE people. OMG... My dad was an undercover federal officer for 15 years, I'd be the first one to put one in his dome, but this really just seems . . . off. Even my dad said so.
    1 point
  41. you have this thing about rooting for muderer's? i would say it does make you a bad person. Kind of a real shit head.I'm not rooting for him, but they've already lit up two cars trying to kill him without warning . What are they trying to hide?please don't tell me you are one of THOSE people. OMG...
    1 point
  42. No, he's killing people because they were doing they're job unethically. That's the reason he lost his job, he repeatedly wrote complaints about fellow officers doing their job wrong or with racial bias. Also, he didn't start his protest just shooting people. He was trying verbal protest for the past 4 or so years, but as we all know, nobody listens till blood is shed. Yeah I highly doubt that'll happen.
    1 point
  43. i understand the success with evading the cops. but dude....come on. thats fucking ridiculous.
    1 point
  44. I don't like beerBut I like tequila
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