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^^ I believe that is footage from his shoot out earlier in the day with the Fish and Game guys isnt it?
Also heard somewhere that this shootout ( with Fish and Game and other personnel) actually lasted over 15 minutes.
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hahaha including an aircraft prepared to take off into mexico
Silly Hunter... an aircraft prepped for flight...thats just completely unbelievable... it was a time machine.
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Also where were his guns? Did they find any in the truck or in the cabin?? Wtf the public has been totally left out of information
From what I heard last night when the cabin owners son called into CNN, those cabins were searched two days prior by LEO. so most likely the only weapons Dorner had were what he was able to carry, so I would assume, based on his training etc... a rifle of some sort with mags and ammo, and perhaps a side arm with the same, not an entire arsenal.
but I mean where are the reports of ANY weapons found in the cabin.
Im sure once they get the whole cover up story figured out, we will be told that he had a bazooka, and some bombs, and 3 dead hookers in the basement.
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Also where were his guns? Did they find any in the truck or in the cabin?? Wtf the public has been totally left out of information
From what I heard last night when the cabin owners son called into CNN, those cabins were searched two days prior by LEO. so most likely the only weapons Dorner had were what he was able to carry, so I would assume, based on his training etc... a rifle of some sort with mags and ammo, and perhaps a side arm with the same, not an entire arsenal.
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as for trying to bring him in alive... your from the LEO family, you tell me... One would assume said armored bobcat would be more than capable of punching a hole in the wall of the cabin allowing access, or perhaps a well timed entry team along with flash bangs and a distraction of some sort, perhaps even bringing in a negotiator to try and talk him out, or the ever popular wait him out game that has also been used in the past. There was pretty much zero effort put into getting him out of the house and arresting him. Hell, a well placed shot from a sniper team at the right time couldve wounded/incapacitated him allowing an entry team to go to work and take him into custody. There are many many tactics that could have been pursued but were not.
It all seemed very very rushed yesterday, did they bring in negotiators? NO, did they in fact confirm it was Dorner? NO, Did they confirm that he was in fact without a doubt alone in the house? NO,... and the list goes on and on Chris....I have always been under the impression that LEO are here to protect and serve, while remaining inside the constraints of the laws and rights we have. As of late there are more and more examples of this not being the case. It is beginning to seem the motto have indeed changed "to punish and enslave".
I would love to see a LEO"guidebook" that can explain how and why burning down a cabin to kill who is inside/ or to force him outside into a hail of gunfire had he tried to escape (which would also kill him), is in any way, SOP (standard operating procedure). Last time I checked, Manson, Gacy, Dahlmer were all granted due process, and they were much more twisted and killed more/responsible for more deaths then Dorner. So because he crossed the thin blue line and tried to stand up for what was right, only to have his entire world stripped from him, that allows the LEO's involved to also strip away his granted rights to due process? If thats the case, then it needs to go the other way too, if a cop is accused of doing something wrong, then lets not even look into it. Let's just can his ass, strip his badge, and tell him to kick rocks and go get on unemployment.....
As for whoever mentioned why he didnt kill the people whose truck he stole, read his manifesto that he left on FB, his rage was very, very directed. He had no beef with Joe Citizen, he had a beef with LAPD and those who stood in his way. That is why he didnt kill those other people or take hostages. They were not part of the problem in his mind.
Like I said repeatedly... This was purposefully done to end Dorners rampage, but more so to make sure the was no trial that could risk bringing to light the corruption of the LAPD. Also as stated earlier, for all those involved, I am happy this has most likely come to an end and that there will be no more bloodshed over this. But I am disgusted in the manner in which it was resolved. A gross violation of our rights, regardless of circumstance, is NOT the correct answer. Ever.
This tragic series of events will also unfortunately be used as another stepping stone to push NoBama and Feinsteins gun control, which sadly, will allow more and more gross violations of our constitutionally granted rights, seeing as we will no longer be able to defend ourselves, be it from criminals, crooked ass cops, or big brother itself.
What went down yesterday was a series of poorly timed, improper decisions regarding this matter.
When LEO begin to throw our rights out the window, it makes me worried. That is the first line of a citizens defense against anything injust.
I might catch some heat for this next part, and no disrespect to the members here that I know are LEO or related to LEO, but
I pity those in uniform who try to strip my rights, be it my right to due process, my right to say as I please, or my right to keep and bear arms... I dont care who you are, or what agency your tin says you represent, try to strip my rights and I'll make this fiasco look like fucking romper room. Ive tangled with LEO over my rights before, kicked their ass that time. Ill do it again, by force if necessary.
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LAPD didn't kill the 3 people they shot at. Also, it is unclear who started the fire along with many other details about the incident that we'll never likely know the truth about. But I think most people can agree he wasn't going to come away from this alive.
You are correct I did mess that up. One guy was not even hit, but the mother and daughter were both injured in the first shooting. The mother took rounds in the back.
Regardeless, a white guy sure doesnt match Dorners description, neither does a mother and daughter delivering newspapers. I understand the urgency with which the police wanted to catch this guy, but before smashing into citizens trucks and opening fire, one would assume it to be a prudent decision to make a positive ID on the people in the vehicles. Just more proof that LAPD is a wild reckless department IMO.
As for who started the fire, its very clear if you listen to the recordings from police scanners. The police started the fire.
theres some of it, and theres more if you are keen with google. You can clearly here them discussing "preparing the burner", deploying the burner, confirming the house is indeed on fire etc.... Also I find it funny the while watching live coverage last night, it was kind of ironic that right about the same time they start saying they think the cabins on fire, all the media helicopters were then asked to fly higher and not zoom in on the cabin.... gotta make ya wonder just a bit. and really, it makes sense, if all the stuff Dorner said about how fucked up LAPD is, the easiest way to handle the situation is to make sure Dorner is dead, that way after a week or so, everyone will forget it ever happened, and nothing bad about the LAPD would be brought to light in Dorners trial. Think about it, almost makes a bit to much sense.
And youre a tool for liking your own post.
I understand that LAPD has issues...dirty cops scandals and such... But you realize they weren't lead on this..it was SanBernardino Sheriffs..my uncle one of them...his close friend was killed yesterday by the asshole in the cabin. They ask them to not zoom in so they don't show their tactical locations...and at the end of the day I don't give two shits if one of those cops put a bullet in that man or he did it himself... He killed that girl and her fiance for no reason...shot at Sherrifs deputies..injured one killed the other..POS got what he deserved. As for crooked cops they're pieces of shit too...but LAPD wasn't lead in Big Bear..not their juristiction and not the ones involved in the shootout.
and yeah police started a fire...big whoop..they gased him and he wouldn't come out or give up so they used the armored bobcat...(look up SWAT Bobcat its cool) and used that to provide cover while they did. Good tactics...I wouldn't want to be lead going into that house against him..and they didn't need anymore dead LEO's.
Nowhere did I say I advocated what Dorner did you got that part right? And further more, regardless of what he did or didnt do, he is still protected by the same bill of rights that we are. It appeared very minimal effort went into taking him alive.
LAPD is a shitbag of a police force, period.
And regardless of who "had the lead" in Big Bear yesterday, its all one in the same when it comes to the thin blue line isnt it? All Im saying is I think less effort went into capturing him then there should have been. It seems as if the goal at hand was to kill him and be done with it, not to bring him into custody. Furthermore, according to the sheriffs departments own rep, at the time they set the house on fire, they still had not made a positive ID on who was or was not in the house.
By no means am I saying Dorner was right in anything he did, but I am also saying it appears plenty of mistakes and shadyness have went on with this as well, and sadly if dorner was indeed killed yesterday, the entire story will never be known. You cannot argue with that. If the accusations made by Dorner about LAPD are true (which they are) the easiest way for the situation to be handled was to make sure Dorner is dead, that way there is no trial, no risk (or at least one less chance) of the LAPD being help responsible for being the shitbag organization it has become.
So please, get a good grasp of what Im saying before you fly off the hook. Nowhere did I say I thought DOrners cause was just, nor did I defend his actions. He was a nut that needed to be stopped. Properly. Not murdered. If you support the bill of rights, and the freedoms we have as citizens, you need to take a step back and realize that if indeed the fire was started by the "police" that makes it more clear their intent was never to bring him in alive. That, is a disgusting violation of a citizens rights. We are all entitled to due process, regardless of the heinous actions we take.
As for not zooming in to reveal their "tactical" locations, thats complete bullshit. So it was ok for their "tactical" positions to be zoomed in on and revealed for hours beforehand, but suddenly once they are going to set the house on fire, they need to conceal these positions? Bullshit. I am pretty sure Dorner was more then well aware he was surrounded, not to mention a majority of their perimeter was under the cover of trees, and only the property immediately surrounding the cabin was clear and visible.
Dont try to beat me down here, Im glad its over and done with and happy Dorner wont continue on his spree, by the same token, I am disgusted at the blatant disrespect for our constitutionally granted rights exhibited here. If they can throw the bill of rights out the window for Dorner, and just kill him instead of bringing him to trial they can do it to anyone. Especially with our "great" POTUS and his new laws about being able to kill americans at will without due process if they are suspected of terrorist activity.
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wait so is he dead or no?
Nothing has been confirmed in either direction. Ive also seen some stuff that says they will not even confirm if they pulled a body from the remains of the cabin.
Anyone else listen to the phone call that was recorded that has the complete audio of the fire fight earlier yesterday between (possibly) Dorner and the Fish and Game guys? sounded like a lot of rds were let loose just in that confrontation.
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Just to add to how incompetent and reckless LAPD is, the truck the mother and daughter were driving, was not even the same color as Dorners. Way to be LAPD. If that had happened to my family, my wife, my daughter, I'd own that entire department. I would also press for aggravated assault and/or attempted murder charges to be brought on the dimwits that wrongly shot up my shit. That is inexcusable, no ifs and or buts about it. Especially the truck that wasnt even the same color. Keepin my big white ass outta LA, based on current events, they might mistake my 6'4'' 260lb self for a midget of a different race that's on the run and shoot the fuck outta me.
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LAPD didn't kill the 3 people they shot at. Also, it is unclear who started the fire along with many other details about the incident that we'll never likely know the truth about. But I think most people can agree he wasn't going to come away from this alive.
You are correct I did mess that up. One guy was not even hit, but the mother and daughter were both injured in the first shooting. The mother took rounds in the back.
Regardeless, a white guy sure doesnt match Dorners description, neither does a mother and daughter delivering newspapers. I understand the urgency with which the police wanted to catch this guy, but before smashing into citizens trucks and opening fire, one would assume it to be a prudent decision to make a positive ID on the people in the vehicles. Just more proof that LAPD is a wild reckless department IMO.
As for who started the fire, its very clear if you listen to the recordings from police scanners. The police started the fire.
theres some of it, and theres more if you are keen with google. You can clearly here them discussing "preparing the burner", deploying the burner, confirming the house is indeed on fire etc.... Also I find it funny the while watching live coverage last night, it was kind of ironic that right about the same time they start saying they think the cabins on fire, all the media helicopters were then asked to fly higher and not zoom in on the cabin.... gotta make ya wonder just a bit. and really, it makes sense, if all the stuff Dorner said about how fucked up LAPD is, the easiest way to handle the situation is to make sure Dorner is dead, that way after a week or so, everyone will forget it ever happened, and nothing bad about the LAPD would be brought to light in Dorners trial. Think about it, almost makes a bit to much sense.
And youre a tool for liking your own post.
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So is anyone going to mention the 3 innocent people killed by LAPD, in two seperate incidents, just because they were in vehicles that matched the description of what Dorner was driving? Not that it justifies any of this, but still worth mentioning, seeing as racism and abuse of power are the things that ignited all of this... Sounds to me like some of what Dorner had problems with was true. I am in no way justifying Dorners actions, but by the same token, there is now proof ( recordings from police scanners) that they (the police) purposefully set the cabin on fire. I think that they had absolutely no intentions of bringing Dorner in alive, because the issues he had with LAPD and its corruption are true, they knew if they brought him in alive, a lot of those things would come to light and things would be all bad for LAPD. So the easiest way to resolve all of this was to make sure Dorner was dead. regardless of his actions, justified or not, a murderer or not, Dorner was a citizen of this country and is granted the same rights that the rest of us are. He was/is granted the right to trial, just like all of us. Also I feel that going back earlier in the evening the "cover up" started to hide their(LAPD etc.) actions regarding this matter, such as Bachmann(?), her answers for everything were "I dont know", which is an easy way to deflect lying to the media. Also I find it funny that right about the same time the cabin magically caught fire, all the helicopters covering the events were commanded to fly at a higher altitude and to not zoom in on the cabin ( again allowing things to happen without people seeing what was going on.).
Moral of the story here IMO, the shit Dorner had a problem with is absolutely true, the is corruption and issues within the LAPD, there have been for years and years. I feel that the "conclusion" of all these tragic events, was played out exactly how the LAPD wanted it to be played out. If dorner is dead, people are safe, and so is the LAPD from scrutiny from higher powers. His side of the story, true or not, justified or not, will never fully come to light. I feel they purposefully tried to kill him by setting the cabin on fire for 2 reasons, one to stop a madman on a rampage, and two, to cover their own asses from being investigated for being a twisted, racist, abusive police force.
My feelings and loyalties towards this are just a big mash up right now, albeit Dorner lost any support from me once he killed that innocent girl. She had nothing to do with this. By the same token, I feel that if it was indeed Dorner in that cabin, he was purposefully killed to cover up a larger issue, that being the corruption of the police force. Which, regardless of what has went down, and regardless of Dorner killing people, he is granted the same rights as the rest of us. A right to a trial, etc. As a staunch supporter of the bill of right, I do have to take issue with this aspect, for if I dont, I am a hypocrite.
Like the old saying " I may not agree with what you have to say, although I'll give my life defending your right to do so..." or something to that effect.
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I agree the sounds of bullets in a fire and bullets being fired from a weapon sound completely different . Who knows maybe the people who live there might of had bullets in the house . But let's see how this plays out it just sounds like nobody really knows what the hell is going on
No one lived there. Empty rental cabins.
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You will cook 'em.
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she... hahahaha ya'll dating some ugly bishes... Truck looks violent!
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its Monday night...whos gettin drunk??
'bouts to get to it... captain, jameson, or cabo? decisions decisions....
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Sweet, looks like a nice compact package... might be interested in 1 or 2 of these after the holidays for a new build.
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I only brought up SS ammo because you mentioned it, I was agreeing with you hence "is a must" instead of "ya bro liek you need subsonicz!" I was surprised that for once someone knew what it was. As far as the lifespan that's pretty awesome, any drawbacks to such long lasting designs?
It's cool man.. In my opinion, no, no real downside to a long lasting design. Albeit, maintenance is important, as well as proper use... Anything can break sooner than it should if not used correctly. Perhaps the only drawback would be a higher initial cost to get into, but then again, buy once = cry once.. one expensive suppressor is most likely cheaper than 2 so so ones, so you would still be better off in the long run. Our cans arent going to be super exotic, or made from crazy materials, but we are still expecting them to have no problem outlasting 2 or 3 barrels, which again, not many people shoot that much, so realistically our cans should last a lifetime. I am still learning about suppressor design, and so is the owner/head builder, but we feel we have some very nice designs in the works, and once our paperwork shows up, we will be build a couple different styles in the calibers we are planning to offer, and then lots of testing (ie shooting) to check longevity and which design we feel to be the best to offer. R and D and field testing shit has got to be the best part of this job...
At this time, I elieve we are planning on offering 5.56, 7.62, 9mm, and .22lr.. with the ability to build others in the near future. Things are slow going as we dont have a huuuuge budget and have been so swamped with build AK's and gunsmith work, but the ball is rolling. Hopefully next week I am going to have time to start building my wife's AK... should be fun, going to do a nice lightweight, wood furniture, classic looking rifle for her, keep it simple and nice and light.. aiming for ~ 6.5 lbs fully loaded and ready to shoot. It looks we are caught up on the first batch of AK's we sold, so now I can build more toys for me. Im wrapping up a nice Para p13 build for a friend tonight, has a few minor mods, and a wicked duracoat job, sprayed down a handful of ak assemblies last night in matte black (over a parkerized finished) and my G17 might get a bitchin duracoat job this weekend as well... maybe Ill quit being such a bitch and get some pics taken and start a thread finally. Once we ave a few more things dialed in and the web site is closer to done, Ill actually tell ya'll the name of the shop so you can check us out on FB and the web.
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Well said rolex. I just didnt feel like going into the ins and outs of it. And like I said, dude that says he only get a couple thou before his cans are whooped is abusing his shit or unknowingly doing something wrong...
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Bobby, 10k through a can ain't shit now-a-days. Call YHM, and ask them about their 5.56 Phantom with 80k through it with no real loss in performance. Yes, I said 80,000.
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8ight, thanks for the input... But it wasn't needed, not being a dick, but did you miss the whole " waiting for paperwork from ATF to build our line of suppressors" bit? If one is smart enough to be a licensed manufacturer and to also get the required forms, and also intelligent enough to build suppressors... Its probably a safe assumption that he knows the life span of them... not to mention the whole part about not having to spend 700 to 900 bucks on a can, since Im building them helps too. And you must be doing something wrong as to have such short life spans from your cans, unless of course you are shooting full house ammo in an SBR or something, but, I will admit some designs do have a much shorter lifespan then others.. but are you aware that Gemtech and also YHM have prototype/ early production suppressors in 5.56 and 7.62 with more rounds through them then most people would shoot in several lifetimes and they are functioning just fine (Im talking big big round count)? In todays age, it is not to much to expect a properly built and maintained can to out last an average barrel. Also did you miss the part about " subsonic hand loads" as well? you made a point of telling me to use subsonic ammo, after I had already stated I was doing so...
And btw, no tax stamp on dealer demo's either. Makes running a can 24/7 very cheap. Thank you, please drive through.
Just wait till we roll out a few FA demo models...woot.
At this point in my life, I play with, shoot, modify, build more guns in a month then a lot of you will in a lifetime. No joke. Not to mention I have now have access to things some people will never get closer to than dreaming.
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Flash enhancer? That's stupid. Period. Yup. Stupid.
There's a big list of why it's dumb.. For example: big flash right in front you in low light= messes with your vision, a lot.
Not to mention from a "tactical" stand point, it is completely dumb, Let me light off this flare gun, so who ever I am engaging against knows exactly where I am standing...
I go the exact polar opposite of this range toy ( which to me is all it is good for.) I build my weapons with the intent of doing as much as legally possible to reduce their signature, in an effort to allow at least some "concealment" while shooting... Hell we are just waiting for some paperwork to show up, then we are beginning production on our line of cans ( suppressors).. and you guessed right, there will be one hanging on the end of my AR permanently, also waiting on an extended threaded barrel to show up for my G17, 'cause that's getting a can too, a little lighter spring in it, and some of our subsonic hand loads and the loudest part of firing it is going to be the slide racking back and forth.
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You guys are funny!
1) SXT stands for Same Xact Thing when compared to teh old Talon rounds
2) Whats the difference between most of these rounds, MARKETING as 99% of them will get the job done if the following point is followed
3) NO ONE HAS MENTIONED SHOT PLACEMENT! I dont care what round you have in teh gun. If shot placement isnt right for the bullet to do its job it's all a worthless combination of equipment. 2 or 3 misplaced rounds of "self defense" ammo cant compete with 1 well placed round of anything!
Regardless of whats in your magazine you need to practice!
Well said man. Although number 3 is of greater importance than numbers 1 and 2. Number 3 is something so many people don't factor into their equation.
Don't matter what your slingin' if they are not hitting where they are supposed to be hitting.
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Im shooting a "stock" trigger with a little bit of love... in the areas Rolex pointed out... world of difference over a box stock trigger. Feels smooth, breaks real crisp... does exactly what I need it to, for its intended purpose, without spending huge coin on an aftermarket trigger. My AR is not a varmint or precision rifle. Its intent is purely to kick some ass. I may, down the road, pick up an aftermarket trigger the next AR build Im planning, which will be a much more precision oriented build with a scope etc....
Bobby, I agree with rolex.. if you were to sit down and spend a little time on whats in your rifle now, I think you might be more than surprised at the out come. Get rid of the noticeable tooling marks, and clean it up with some flitz and you might just like it, all the while, saving yourself some cash that you could blow on ammo.
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Asking for a buddy of mine. Do you guys have a keltek sub 2000 that takes glock 9mm rounds? He's been dying for it lol.
We currently do not have any sub200's in stock. I can look into getting one, but we are located in Ohio. Your buddies best bet would be to check out armslist.com or perhaps a local retailer.
where abouts in ohio?
Couple hours north of you. Western suburb of Cleveland. North Ridgeville.
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... and, I'm waiting on a lone wolf threaded barrel and some suppressor height sights, so we can begin pre-production builds on 9mm cans... I get to be the test dummy for the couple different designs bossman has in the works.
Look out Red Jackoffs. Gonna be a new player in town real soon, with great products, and a non-overinflated price tag.
AMEN.... Red Jacket is FULL of a bunch of idiots. I saw 1st hand the quality of their builds that are out for sale on one of the other gun sites im on. The guy purchased a 1911 for WAY more than he should've paid and it broke after like 500 rounds.... But the price alone they wanted was RIDICULOUS....
Thats what we are saying... their products are mediocre for the most part and carry a stupid big price tag. Same with a company called rifle dynamics... they are importing Saiga's, giving them a good once over and a refinish with a few little tweaks and asking, i believe, 1700.00 and up... For a lightly modded, 922r compliant Saiga. Thats stupid money. The Rifle Dynamics model just recently reviewed in an issue of Recoil magazine cost well over 2 grand how it was set up. Stupid high price for an imported Saiga. Our receivers our built in-house, by hand, one at a time. We are using some imported pieces, depending on what you want to spend... the more in house made pieces or domestic pieces, the price does go up, but I can get someone into a nice ass hand built AK for ~7 bills, thatll run circles around ANY of the imported complete rifles in terms of fit, finish and function. And at that price point, we are probably going to be giving you the rifle, 1 mag, and a nice soft sided tactical style rifle case, and you will have a couple choices in terms of how it gets set up. I am actually going to be making up the receiver for my personal AK this weekend if time allows, its going to be a basic, wood furniture with a nice parkerized finish and a lot of time put into the furniture to make it pretty, probably going to have an Ultimak rail on it and a 25mm red dot and thats it. Will be a pretty, simple, rugged ass kicker. And did I mention custom serial numbers if you chose? Like your initials and DOB...the rifle we are building my wife, a 5.56 chambered AK, was nick named the "Death Kitty" by her..so the serial number is most likely going to be " DTHKTTY-21383" / death kitty and her dob.
At this time, I elieve we are planning on offering 5.56, 7.62, 9mm, and .22lr.. with the ability to build others in the near future. Things are slow going as we dont have a huuuuge budget and have been so swamped with build AK's and gunsmith work, but the ball is rolling.
SMD what are you Drinking thread
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homemade apple pie. Woot. although I might be going blind.