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  1. So I got an saz-1200 and would really like to match subs and amps. What you you guys personally recommend? I have plenty of air space. I like hard hitting lows. Most of what I play is below 45hz so I'm not really picky about being loud up higher above that. I really like the lower 30s and upper 20s. So what are some sundown recommendations on that kind of power? And it can either be 1 12, 2 12s, or 1 15. So what dother you think? Single sa 15? X 15? Sa 12s? X 12? Very open to suggestions. I hope this doesn't count as a vs thread. Thanks! Greg
  2. I'm trying to determine enclosure specifications for a pair of 12" ZV3's for my car. Planned power is a pair of SCV-3000's strapped at 1-ohm. I've never had the opportunity to play around with any Sundown drivers bigger than the SA Series. I did just finish a box for my girlfriend's X-12 which called for a considerably larger enclosure than what I am used to for your average 12" driver but wasn't sure if the rest of their mid-to-upper lines all preferred larger enclosures. Their website recommends 2.0ft^3 per, but i'm also putting more than 1500 watts to them. Note: I have already searched the forum to no avail. Any help is appreciated!
  3. So i have what i think is a pretty simple question. If i have a regular flooded battery as a starter battery can i use an XS power battery as a supplement to my car audio system. for now it would be a saz 1500d at 2 ohms, so only about 800 or so watts, which i know is not much for that battery but when i get some different subs and wire to 1 ohm ill be around 1500 watts. my main question is would i HAVE to run a relay as to separate the batteries when the car is off? would their be a constant push/pull from the two batteries that could potentially cause the batteries to drop below 12.6 while im not using the car. the longest i go without using my car is about 4 to 6 days. its rare that i ever go a full week without at least cranking it and letting the regular battery charge a bit while i listen to some music. Thanks in advance to everyone who answers!
  4. So I noticed the db-r has a 1500d for sale at an awesome price but it is the older second version. My question is. Having vastly different boards (from the pictures I've seen) how much different it is than the newer version. I know output is going to be a small difference but what about cooling ability ( I realize the v3 has a fan) and overall reliability? Thanks!
  5. I know that in the description of the sundown x series that they are low frequency drivers and do not expect to have them excel at high frequency bass notes. what is considered high frequency for this sub because everyone has a different definition of what a high frequency bass note is. my crossover is set to 85 hz give or take a few hz. Thanks Greg
  6. Components that count for this question are as follows: Amp: JBL GTO-751ez Sub/Box: Sundown SA-8v2 dual 4 ohm in 1.4 cubic feet net @ 33hz I know the enclosure's too big, especially for the power. That's why I've been GENTLE with it. I've got a lot of amp gain to go UP before it's 'tuned' (a long, long way)-- I tuned it up using the JBL setup cd and then proceeded to crank it way the hell down (to about 1/3rd of where the setup CD put it) because I didn't need any more to get full excursion. Max (tuned) volume at the Head unit is 30 (out of 50). I only rarely break 20...never played full tilt (can't stand the highs anymore past 25, rockfords are loud as hell!) Anyway, the sub cut out today on the way home. Dual 4 ohm sub is now reading 2.3 ohms and 3.5 ohms on the respective coils. I pulled the sub out of the box, and the coils look fine, as do the tinsels and spider so I'm hesitant to think I did any mechanical damage from the big box, but there's no burnt coil smell either. Actually smells like MDF sawdust and new woofer still. Only a few months old. Checked my connections (first thing I did, actually) and everything's good there. Anyone have any input? EDIT: Just measured the coils again. Dead-on 4.7 ohms per coil now. Perfect match. Either my DMM sucks (probably) or I'm a retard.
  7. I ordered and purchased a saz-3500d v2 on May 3 and from soundsolutionsaudio and shipped out may 5th and received on may 7th. Hooked it up to my 2 fi audio dual 1ohm subwoofers that are wired to 1Ohm. barely any bass. I had my 2 saz1500d ran each to their own sub wired at .5ohms before the purchase and changed the wiring to series on both subs and parallel outside the box for 1ohm and had one of my saz1500d hooked up to them. had no problems with the saz1500d at 1ohm. so a friend and I took my subs out to check everything. checked the ohms with my dmm, did the volt battery test to see if subs are both in phase, hooked up to my friends rcas and headunite. so I filled out a RMA with sundown and had to pay to ship it to them for warranty after I emailed ssa. sweet. now im over $1000 for this amp and have to wait longer. so waited for the authorization and ended up sending it fedex on may 15th. well it got there on Saturday and their not open so it was delivered on Tuesday may 20th since they don't deliver on Mondays. great.. even longer wait. didn't hear from them so I emailed on Thursday the 26th if they got the amp even though I knew they did with the tracking number and got a reply that they did and give them some time to look at it. on the 29th I got a call from them saying they had the same problem with the amp I had and will send out a new amp. good because I wasn't going to take a freaking refurbished amp. so I get the amp yesterday the 31st from fedex. I had my daughter this weekend so I didn't bother opening it up since I had no time and I work both days for overtime 3rd shift. I ended up opening it before bed and I give the amp a look over to make sure it was a new one and not the one I sent back to them refurbished. one of the tabs at the end is so horribly bent upward that there is no freaking way someone who works there didn't see or didn't know that the damage happened to the amp. im so freaking pissed at waiting this long for a freaking working amp; by the way haven't hooked it up yet as I got off of work at 7AM and not even sure if I want to keep the damn amp. i need another saz-3500d v2 for my setup for 4 fi audio 12" Qs but now i don't want to purchase the last amp. how did this amp get through visually at all. i have owned 3 sundown amps. i still own 2 of them my saz1500d's and owned a saz3000d that i had hooked up to my fi BTL fully loaded subwoofer. but this just ridiculous. if this is what i get after sending a amp that should be working in the first place like it should without turning the subwoofer level on deck all the way up and over 1/2 gain. and its the tab that i actually use to screw that amp down. i would like to send it back never hooked up and get my refund and ill take the hit on 2 times sending the amps back and purchase a different companys product.
  8. I just went from a Hifonics BRX 2400 to a SAZ 3500D V2 Sundown amp. Problem is, it sounds identical to the hifonics amp. I don't hear any difference from what I can tell. Its rather dissapointing since the hifonics was around $350 and the Sundown was almost $1,000. I'm running my subs at 2ohms because they are both Dual 4 ohms. Though the box I have isn't big or spacious for these subs at, I would have thought there would have been some difference in the quality at that. On another note, I'm getting a constant "humming noise" through my subs even with the volume all the way down. I think its my rca cables and not the amp because I switched between amps and it was doing it on the hifonics as well. Just seemed to crap out between the switch which is odd, since i was bumping an 1hr before the switch. Maybe there is some mixed wiring somewhere, I'm not sure tbh. Thanks
  9. Hello, im from Belgium so sorry for my bad english, i hope you will understand me. im planning on buying 2 Sundown SA 12's and im going to run them on a Massive Audio N3 amp. and i need your help and thoughts, i know a little of how to calculate a box for the subs bud im not not that good in it. 1, i drive a Ford Fiesta mk6.5 and my car runs on 14.3/14.4V 2, Does the 12's going to be too big for my car? i want A LOT OF BASS, i love the very lows like decaf songs etc... 3, i will do the big 3 upgrade to my car bud i would love to keep the stock alt, is that possible? 4, will someone plz design a box for me for the 2 12's? i was thinking about a 30Hz tuning, subs facing up, and the port in the middle of the subs (also facing up). or would it be better to face the port to the back? my trunk dimension i can use are: 45cm height, 97cm wide, 45cm deep. I really hope you will help me out with this, i dont know that much of subs/amps/box making, i ony installed some entry lvl sub/amps an made 1 box for a kicker L7 12" so i dont have that much experiance. and if you agree to help me out with this, will you plz design a box in centimeters / millimeters with 18mm MDF? because here in belgium we only got 18 or 21 millimeter MDF. (not 19mm like 3/4inch and with torres calculator you only can use 19mm MDF) You don't know how much i would appreciate it if you would help me... Plz let me know something... grtz
  10. I have a sundown saz 1500d v2 I just bought off the org owner ...he had a wreck and needed money for a new car he lost the remote and I need one... so the question is where can I get one, and does the warranty carry form owner to owner if its within the time frame and would it cover the remote??? edit: are ther other remotes that are compatible with my amp?
  11. Well, hello guys. I'm new to the sundown group, and last week became the owner of my first sundown product, a SAZ-3500 v1. Got it in a trade for my Skar sk1500 plus 160 bucks on my end. So i got it for a steal. Amp looks brand new, and is fully functional. I love it! I have it on 2 PSI Platform 2 18s. So hello everyone! Also, has this amp been on the amp dyno? Really curious to what it actually does. Heres a link to my build thread for anyone that cares:http://www.down4sound.com/forum/showthread.php?24951-93-Exploder-Build-Log
  12. Im selling my L7's and my zx1000.1 for 750you (funniest shit ever) and i wanna make the jump to sundown cuz from what i read are amazing. I heard they can be overpowered nicely. I was thinking 1000rms each on D2 Sa-12's. And im gonna get a box made for them ir maybe build my own. Can i get some amp recommendations?
  13. Would a ct sounds 1400.1d be too much for a pair of sa8v2's to handle? The box is 2.2 cu ft with a 4in aero port tuned to 35hz and of course the gains will be set with a dd-1
  14. hey sundown, i was in the process of trying to design a box for my X15 and i ran into a couple of road blocks. btw thanks a ton for posting the T/S parameters for the X series subs on your site recently it's really nice to have all those in one place now. not trying to be a dick but i think there's a couple missing though (at least i think, i could be blind) that are making it really hard to finish my design could you post the, Woofer Displacement Xmax Sd if those were there i'd be awesome. thanks, RevoRacing
  15. There is a local show coming up for me on June 30th in PA...12v thunder hosted by 12v Dave... I had a box built a while back for two DAD bd 12's (fs of 28hz) (I wanted an enclosure that complimented the low end)..The enclosure ended up being 5.0 cubic feet after displacements tuned to 26hz (confirmed with an IM-SG1). The original build was this enclosure with the two DAD bd 12's on their own Skar audio 1500's at 1 ohm...It played VERY flat with a peak of 145.5 db at 31-33hz with the mic on the dash and driver side door open (termlab) and also a 137.7db at 17hz....I also clamped 1800 watts coming from the pair of 1500's... I had purchased four powerbass XTA 6000D's just for the hell of it and out of curiousity put one on the two DAD bd 12's at 0.5 ohms....Sounded to me like a 150+ at around 30hz...although the drivers didn't last long on that power (DAD bd's have two spiders total and are spaced apart...Here is a video of what it did on the 6k though... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHmK_1ZTXQ A few months back I picked up a pair of Pierce Audio 1k 12's (fs of 37hz) for a client who wanted a build....I tossed em in this enclosure on a rockford 1500 bcp at 1 ohm just to break them in and did a 144.8 at 31-33hz on music (mic was in the same confirguarion as last time). The Pierces sounded good in this enclosure but definitely lacked the low end performance that the DAD's had....I wanted to demonstrate what two 12's can do at 20-30hz in the proper enclosure at this upcoming show, but the current subs wern't gonna cut it.. So I did a little bit of digging and ended up talking to Bryan Chamberlein from Sundown and told me had a pair of sundown X 12's that were there chilling at Sundown HQ and had some coil rub from testing. He agreed that he would recone them both for me with production soft parts and a deal was made. I am the proud owner of a pair of Sundown X 12's, he told me I will have em' before the show so now I just need to play the waiting game... The enclosure was temporarily sold in between set ups and was butched by the temporary owner and I bought it back from him at a reduced price...The enclosure is going to get a makeover and some threaded rod to add some support because I am going to invert the subs which will put quite a bit of weight on the front baffle (front baffle is a doubled up with 3/4" mdf too). The set up will be the pair of x 12's (dual 2 ohm coils) each wired to their own rf 1500 bdcp at 1 ohm. I am very excited to see this enclosure sounds with a pair of subs that are made for low end extension. Sorry about the rant, will upload pics and vids as stuff comes along. The enlcosure needs quite a bit of work done on it so posting this will give me some motivation to get work done (;
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  17. this is the box i made for my new e8v3 subs in a box tuned to 34hz 1.2 cubes
  18. I plan on buying 4 SA-8v2s 4 ohm to go behind the seat of my single cab F250, I was wondering Which amp I should buy to give them a good 800 - 1k watts ea and how should I wire them. I don't have much experience with systems so any extra input would be appreciated.
  19. Hey, I just bought a Sundown SA-12 D2 and a Rockford Prime 750 (I know I will get hate for this). It will be going in a 99 Ford Ranger Supercab. Basically I am just looking for some advice, which way should I fire the subs. I want to build a ported box, but I would need measurements. So, if anyone has a custom box design for a Sundown SA-12 let me know. Also note I am willing to take up as much of the back seat as possible. It would be GREATLY appreciated if I could get some help.
  20. Somebody enlighten me on this, I have two SA-8's that need to be reconed. Can I order recone kit's for them and also buy two SA 12 baskets and convert them from SA-8's to SA-12's? Thanks
  21. The reason why Im asking is because I have four zv3 18s in 17.5 cubes , subs up port up. I want to invert the subs but i wondering how many cubes will I gain internally with inverting them. Right now they are getting 4.375 per 18.
  22. ok im new here but im not new to the sub world ok im looking into putting a sundown sa-12 d4 or d2 but heres my problem i got about 700 bucks for my full system after the the sub and box im going to have 400 still need a head unit wiring and an amp i have full alpine type r componet speakers form my old whip but nothing else can i get some opinions on what amp and should i go with the 2 ohm or the 4 ohm dvc sa-12?
  23. Alright, I have never done a review for the most part, so excuse me if this isn't to the standards of other people's. For the back story... About a week or two back I got my (single) Sundown E-12 D4 in the mail. Well packed and only a nick in the side of the box, sub was in perfect condition. My first impression of it was, wow, it has more ass than I thought. Just as PWK said, the pictures online really don't convey the real beefyness of this sub. This is pretty much my first real sub haha, I came from a 2011 model Fosgate P2 12". I ran that in mannny different enclosures, but mainly a 1.2 cube sealed box on 500 watts from an RF Prime R500-1. When I got the sub, I had already built the enclosure for it. I have it in a 2.339 cube box tuned to 32 Hz via 4" aero port (right around 11" long). The box was sitting in my bedroom until I built the false floor for my trunk. For all who own a 2000 Civic sedan, you know how flimsy the original floor is. Now it's 1/2" MDF. For an amp, I purchased a BRZ1200. I'm running the E-12 at 2 ohms, and after tuning, I feel as if I am close to around 650-700 watts when I crank it. After playing it for ~40 minutes at that power the dust cap was just warm. Remember this is a 400 watt RMS sub. I read Skip01's review of the E-15 multiple times in anticipation of my purchase of this sub, let me say, I agree with him. On to the real review... I just want to say wow. This being my first Sundown product, I am EXTREMELY impressed. Not only does it get very loud, but it sounds incredible doing so. Maybe I am just hearing what I want, but it sounds so flat in my configuration, its great. The low low bass, mid, and high bass all sound about the same volume, that in its self blows me away. This thing hits so damn hard too. People always told me with my Rockford setup that it hits hard and is super clean sounding, and I agreed. Assuming that was because of the sealed enclosure.... now, I doubt that thought because it hits harder more accurately in this ported box. I can feel the bass in my whole body, mouth, feet... everywhere when I have it way up. I just can't get enough of this thing. Makes me wonder how amazing the rest of the Sundown line is. Also, it eats all the Decaf I throw at it, on some of the lowest of the low notes, with the driver door open, my back windshield flexes a good couple mm. I don't know if this effect will ever wear off, but whenever I know there is a really deep note in a song (28-35 Hz) I expect there to be some roll off and the note to be quieter... Not with this bad boy, flat all the way down. I can't say anything but positive comments about this sub. I recommend it to anybody in the market looking for a sub that has a great combo of SQ, and loudness on a budget. This is by far the best $110 I have ever spent! Thank you so much Jacob for such a fantastic product, I am thoroughly pleased. And if anybody is wondering, I purchased through SundownOnly.com. Now if I could only afford a Sundown amp and the electrical to back it up haha. And if anybody cares, on my ear-o-meter, I'll give it a ~137-138db. And maybe a 140-142db burp. Never TL'd, and don't plan on it.
  24. I am about to build this box in 2 hours with a friend, so any quick input would be nice, I did a lot of calculation, tried to keep port bends as low as possible, only 1 bend, port area I think is good, especially since im putting these 2 subs on 2.5x power daily, a kicker zx2500.1 for 2 Sundown SA-12's Let me know if you would change anything quick, from what I can see its setup well, but when you been working on something for the last 6 hours you sometimes miss stuff in torres calc it wasn't calculating the port area correctly, so I found the box internal volume after all displacements and then acted like the port was external to the box, winISD and torres gave me the same tuning when calculating it that way, I am going for 34hz with 3.22 cubes inside, I would have went bigger with the box but with the extra power I need a bit smaller airspace for sub control, I measured the Port Length right down the middle which is what your supposed to do I believe Just let me know if I messed up on anything, even if you look at it quick, at least say yea or no or something, THANKS A BUNCH GUYS!!!
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