kickass audio Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Alright, so i have had my viper 5901 installed in my 2004 GMC Envoy for nearly a year and i just found a security flaw that i dont like. If i take the key and insert it in the ignition while the system is armed, it will set off my alarm and page me on the remote however the truck will still run and i can drive it all around and not have any problems. Does anyone know if there is a way to make it so that when the alarm goes off to disable the entire ignition of the truck? I want to make it so that if the truck is armed that it will not turn the engine over with a key in the ignition. Also, i was thinking to getting a glass shatter sensor for my alarm as i dont have that. Is there a shatter sensor that also has a shock sensor built into it? Right now there is no glass sensor and the shock sensor is only good for if i hit the truck from the b pillar to the very front. The brain is mounted up under my dash deep and is tied to the support frame of the dash/firewall. From the b pillar to the back of the truck, i can hit it with a jackhammer and not set off the shock sensor no matter how sensitive i adjust the alarm. And finally, i know you need an extra module to add other sensors to monitor but im not sure what one i need. Right now my rear doors rarely set off the alarm if you open them up from the inside of the truck with the system armed. I want to make it so that they are just like the front doors and the tailgate so that if its open, it will set off the alarm. I currently have 4 switches for the door setup to actually set off the alarm if they are tripped. They are my front doors, tailgate, and rear glass latch. Thank you all for your help as always in advance. Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyne151 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 The envoys don't actually use the starter wire in the ignition... that is why the starter kill isn't working. The computer see's accessory drop and that is when the starter is cranked. Don't ask me why. Easiest way to fix it is break the accessory wire with a relay and the ground while armed wire. Quote -Installer for Duke's Car Stereo 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix - Ported Eaton M90 S/C, 3.5" pulley, XS Power Headers, 1.9 Rockers, FWI, Poly Motor Mounts, Custom Tune. RF T1000-1bdCP and T400-4 Boston Acoustics SPG 555 Kenwood eXcelon 995 RF Punch 6.5" components and MB Quart Premium 6x9"s Powermaster Alternator, YellowTop D34, Vmax CT1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickass audio Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Yea sounds like a pain in the ass, ill just deal with it. I thought it may be a easy way around it. The remote pages me and says the truck was started via the ignition but i wanted to make sure its not going to be easy to hotwire the truck and take off with it. And somewhat off topic from the viper 5901, i was thinking to getting some long lag bolts and bolting down my box through where the cargo tie down straps are in the rear of my truck. Then i was going to weld them to the frame of the truck. Do you think this will be strong enough to do or just bolt them down and thats it. Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVAlonSo Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) unfortunately the only way to do starter kill with the actual starter wire is at the starter. easiest way to fix is kill accessory. The only problem with that is, if a theif stabs a screwdriver into your ignition and turns it to the on position, the alarm will kill accessory, and the vehicle will probably crank lol. Edited June 25, 2011 by EVAlonSo Quote MECP MASTER CEA208509 Proud employee of Alarms, ETC in lakeland, FL ASE certified 2002 Tacoma: 4 RF P3 15s @ 28hz 2 RF T1500-1bdcps 2 pair Kicker QS 4 Pair RF Power 6s 3 RF p400-4 1 RF p200-2 ALP CDA-9887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickass audio Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 unfortunately the only way to do starter kill with the actual starter wire is at the starter. easiest way to fix is kill accessory. The only problem with that is, if a theif stabs a screwdriver into your ignition and turns it to the on position, the alarm will kill accessory, and the vehicle will probably crank lol. sounds like i have a vehicle made for theives to take and mess with. DAMN!!!!! what else do you think i can do? Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVAlonSo Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Actually scratch that. ground when armed is grounded when armed, which means with a key turn accessory would never come on. Quote MECP MASTER CEA208509 Proud employee of Alarms, ETC in lakeland, FL ASE certified 2002 Tacoma: 4 RF P3 15s @ 28hz 2 RF T1500-1bdcps 2 pair Kicker QS 4 Pair RF Power 6s 3 RF p400-4 1 RF p200-2 ALP CDA-9887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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