snafu Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 And the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper . . . Quote Tony Candela - SMD Sales & Marketing Email me at [email protected] to learn about becoming an SMD Partner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerParrish Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 awwwww shhhhiiitttt. Now i wanna know the same. I'm ready for some more mind fuckage tonight Quote What the f**k is an appropriate signature supposed to look like?2013 Kia Forte Koup Pioneer AVH-X4600BT iDMax 12 DD M1c @ 2 ohms Rockford Prime 200.2 Pioneer 6.75" Comp Set XS S3400, D2700 Project DB Battery Terminals Axxess ASWC Stinger HPM Everywhereeee 90 Sq. Ft. of Stinger Roadkill Stock Alt Stuff To Come Sundown X-12 New Amp New Comps 4 Channel Amp My Current Build: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/167462-13-kia-forte-koup-dd-setup/ My Old Build: http://www.stevemead..._+2000 +mustang Avatar Courtesy of SnowDrifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackedout Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) And the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper . . . This is you right now: Edited November 4, 2012 by Blackedout Quote Trunk Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsuv Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 AMI - think about this for a second . . . if what you say is true then every single accessory in the vehicle would be grounded to the battery negative terminal. Let's not confuse "low resistance ground" with "ground". In addition, the battery is not really "in circuit" with the accessories in a running vehicle with a properly functioning alternator. Since the alternator has a higher voltage potential, Ohm's Law dictates that current will flow from it to the accessories and into the battery. The battery is unique in that it at times supplies power (IE - start the engine) and at times it consumes power (IE - maintaining a surface charge). I do have a reason for asking this question. I'll address that soon. So I guess depending on when you are requiring the current in "time" would depend on where the electrical return path would come from. Car off, the grounding path of the whole car returns back to the battery. Car starting, uses the return from that same said battery source path. Car running, alternator as grounding point. Okay, I'll agree with that. So why in your other "simple" question, would the ground wire from the block to the battery not be useful? After all the battery is there as a maintaining source for when the electrical consumes more voltage then the alt can deliver. Would you not want to decrease resistance so the flow recovery is that much faster? I think depending on the electrical demand, the battery, or batteries are very much an important part of the circuit. Quote Designing, building, and shipping boxes. Yahoo IM - kingsuv00If the listening level is too loud, please inform the driver, so he can promptly pull over, and let you out. not many cars can get me to pluggin my ears but this one.......damn. I mean the first minute is ok but that thing just really starts digging deeper and deeper in your earhole till you cant stand it no more. Seems like it does it with relative ease....16 12's on 8 amps.........gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 LOL . . . where'd you did that pic up? I've got a TON of work to do today (still playing catch up from being out to SEMA). I'll check back in tonight and elaborate. Quote Tony Candela - SMD Sales & Marketing Email me at [email protected] to learn about becoming an SMD Partner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMI CUSTOMS Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) What I said is true every single accessory is connected to the battery neg via the frame. That is why all the stuff in the vehicle work with the vehicle off, it is the connection point to complete the circuit. Take any accessory you want from the vehicle, radio, headlights, amplifiers. Whatever take it out of the vehicle completely connect to a battery power to + post and ground to neg post and guess what it works, you aren't connecting the ground to ground lol but to the neg post. Edited November 4, 2012 by AMI CUSTOMS Quote TEAM SOUNDQUBED -- TEAM SOUTH TEAM S.O.B. - Founder & Captain 3x Streetbeat World Record Holder 2017 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2016 MWSPL 1st place Mayhem/2nd Adv 4/2nd Xtreme 4 2015 MWSPL 2nd place Mayhem & 4th Xtreme 4 2014 USACI 2nd place Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db 2014 MWSPL 2nd place Xtreme 4 - 144.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db 2013 USACI 1st place Street Q+ - 162.8 db 2013 MWSPL 3rd Kaos2 & 4th Xtreme 4 2011 USACI 2nd place MOD 1001-2k - 160.0 db 2011 MWSPL 4th place: Adv3 - 157.8 db, Kaos2 - 150s db, Xtreme4 - 140s db 2010 ARSPL 1st place 501-750 - 160.3 db Arkansas loudest Best score to date 164.4 db - Termlab Outlaw Streetbeat 4 - 161.9 db Streetbeat 5 - 162.6 db MWSPL on Dash Legal door open (Music) - 162.5 db Sealed on dash Legal (Music) - 161.1 db - Termlab THE BLACK NASTY CURRENT BUILD & FAB The Black Nasty (6) 15 Rebuild Log 2012 (4) 15 Walled Sierra Build Log Evo X build log Facebook page The Black Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 AMI - let's say that we had a 14 Volt power supply, 12 Volt battery, and a headlight connected together as follows on our workbench: Power Supply (+) connected to Battery Positive (+) connected to Headlight Positive (+) Power Supply (-) connected to Battery Negative (-) connected to Headlight Negative (-) Consider the following: - Path of current flow to the headlight with the Power Supply OFF - Path of current flow to the headlight with the Power Supply ON - Direction of current flow between the Power Supply and Battery with the Power Supply ON - Direction of current flow between the Power Supply and Battery with the Power Supply OFF Finally, will the headlight still work if we remove the battery (and it's negative terminal) from the circuit altogether? Quote Tony Candela - SMD Sales & Marketing Email me at [email protected] to learn about becoming an SMD Partner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I think you are overcomplicating things. You removing a battery from an electrical circuit doesnt change a whole lot. Lets just break this down to simple polarity. Since a "ground" can be positive or negative, then a ground is anything in the circuit that will cause a short when connected to the opposite polarity from the power source. Whatever polarity the ground is. We are speaking of DC circuits right? Cause i don't want to get into 2 phase and 3 phase crap. Quote Rest in peace, walled 87 accord build log 03' Corolla build with AA Mayhem inside. My super random youtube channel and terrible camera work. Wiring comparison by CaptainzPlanetz Wire and fuse guide by Guest SyKo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4killer_ Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I guess ill take a stab.. after 5 pages of rhetoric and no answer, I might as.well The ground in the car ie:. The return path.. so from the accessories ground to negative ground on battery to alt ground to engine block ground to the chassis. The positive current should meet.the negative at some point to equal zero. So you follow that point from the accessories to the bat to alt .. if there was.no bat and no alt. There's no electricity it the car. So I'm saying Answer:. The charging stud.of the alt. hope I'm right Quote Setup: 2010 Hyundai Elantra Factory Unit via 4 chan NVX LOC Excessive Amperage "H/O" Alt Xs D3400/ Xs XP3000 Big 3. 2 Runs of +, 2 Runs of - DD M3b and 2 12" AQ HDC4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayhuh? Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I guess ill take a stab.. after 5 pages of rhetoric and no answer, I might as.well The ground in the car ie:. The return path.. so from the accessories ground to negative ground on battery to alt ground to engine block ground to the chassis. The positive current should meet.the negative at some point to equal zero. So you follow that point from the accessories to the bat to alt .. if there was.no bat and no alt. There's no electricity it the car. So I'm saying Answer:. The charging stud.of the alt. hope I'm right You're not and it was answered lol. Page 4 Quote Blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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