TonyD'Amore Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Tony Candela of CE Auto Electric Supply, Juan Rodriguez and I decided to do some testing with the AD-1 Amplifier Dyno to see what effects adding a capacitor to your system does. We did over 60 Dyno pulls with a Rockford T2500-1bdcp, without a capacitor, with a 1 Farad electrolytic capacitor (a real 1 F), and a 100 Farad carbon supercap. Test vehicle is a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 5.7 Hemi, 180 amp alternator, single group 49 AGM battery, all wiring 1/0 AWG copper. We tested each possible combination 3 times just to make sure our numbers were consistent, which they were. Video part 1 is continuous power testing, video 2 is dynamic burst power testing. Enjoy!!! Video part 1= Continuous power testing (uncertified dyno test mode). We do 4, 2 and 1 ohm dyno runs with no cap, 1 F cap, and 100 F cap. All tests in this video were made using the Uncertified Dyno Mode which is a continuous sine wave. We test a Rockford T2500-1bdcp in car, with no added capacitors, then with a 1 Farad aluminum electrolytic capacitor added, and then with a 100 Farad carbon supercapacitor added.RESULTS:No Capacitor:1499 Watts RMS @ 13.07V into 4 ohms2059 Watts RMS @ 11.84V into 2 ohms2366 Watts RMS @ 10.83V into 1 ohmWith 1 Farad Capacitor:1489 Watts RMS @ 13.10V into 4 ohms2024 Watts RMS @ 11.90V into 2 ohms2358 Watts RMS @ 10.87V into 1 ohmWith 100 Farad carbon supercapacitor:1531 Watts RMS @ 13.13V into 4 ohms2208 Watts RMS @ 12.25V into 2 ohms2606 Watts RMS @ 11.30V into 1 ohmEngine RPM held between 2200-2500 for all tests.1F capacitor didn't add any power on the continuous RMS test, actually lost a few watts probably due to the increased number of wire connections.100F capacitor added more than 10% more power on the continuous RMS testMake sure to watch part 2, dynamic power testing (burst power). Hint: The results are different! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Video part 2= Dynamic burst testing (Dynamic Power Dyno Mode). We do 4, 2 and 1 ohm dyno runs with no cap, 1 F cap, and 100F cap. All tests in this video were made using the Dynamic Power (Burst) Dyno mode which is representative of musical peaks. We test a Rockford T2500-1bdcp in car, with no added capacitors, then with a 1 Farad aluminum electrolytic capacitor added, and then with a 100 Farad carbon supercapacitor added.RESULTS:No Capacitor:1543 Watts RMS @ 13.80V into 4 ohms2550 Watts RMS @ 13.32V into 2 ohms3154 Watts RMS @ 12.76V into 1 ohmWith 1 Farad Capacitor:1613 Watts RMS @ 13.98V into 4 ohms2666 Watts RMS @ 13.60V into 2 ohms3426 Watts RMS @ 13.35V into 1 ohmWith 100 Farad carbon supercapacitor:1620 Watts RMS @ 13.95V into 4 ohms2616 Watts RMS @ 13.65V into 2 ohms3260 Watts RMS @ 12.91V into 1 ohmEngine RPM held between 2200-2500 for all tests.1F capacitor didn't add any power on the continuous RMS test, but it OWNED the Dynamic Burst testing!!100F capacitor added more than 10% more power on the continuous RMS test, but less than 5% on the dynamic burst test. Edited April 20, 2013 by TonyD'Amore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdsa23 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Interesting any testing with a battery? Edited April 20, 2013 by tdsa23 Quote XS Power D5100, 2 D2700s, & 2 D975s MechMan 220a Alt DC 5K Kicker 650.4 2 12 Ascendant Audio Mayhem's Pioneer DEH-P7200HD Rockford Fosgate 3sity.1 Build log: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/166792-88-nissan-maxima-trunk-build/#entry2430899 https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/191439-lexus-is300-fi-crescendo-shca-rf-pics/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt14 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 How much battery power did you have in the car? Quote 2006 GMC YukonPioneer HU SHCA ran throughout Crescendo BC3500 One 18 AA Mayhem in a 4th order ZED Levithian 6 channel Rainbow Dual 6.5 comps ran Activehttp://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/155628-matt14s-yukon-mayhem-in-a-4th-ordernew-amps-and-bats/page-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bump4life Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 this ^^ Quote Buyer/Seller Feedback Thread: http://www.stevemead...5015-bump4life/ MB C220 153 Trunk Car Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d/#entry1840136 MB C280 Ipad Dash SQ Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194484-bump4lifes-new-benz-tony-c-relay-kit-pictures-ce-electric-audison-front-stage-installed/ My SPL Log: http://www.stevemead...__fromsearch__1 BMW M340 xDrive Stock, for now. Corner Load 10" maybe soon. But does 10s in the 1/4... Best Scores out of a trunk 153.0 sealed legal full tilt clamped 5524 @ 42 hz 154+ windows down, 155+ kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyD'Amore Posted April 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Interesting any testing with a battery? No testing with an additional battery, but if you look at the numbers it would only help in the situations were the voltage fell below 12.6V, since another battery is just a load to the alternator over 12.6V. We have an additional group 49 AGM battery all charged up and ready for testing. May do some dyno runs on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyD'Amore Posted April 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 How much battery power did you have in the car? Single group 49 absorbed glass mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bump4life Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Interesting any testing with a battery? No testing with an additional battery, but if you look at the numbers it would only help in the situations were the voltage fell below 12.6V, since another battery is just a load to the alternator over 12.6V. We have an additional group 49 AGM battery all charged up and ready for testing. May do some dyno runs on Monday. i love these tests. very well done. and very nice piece of equipment Quote Buyer/Seller Feedback Thread: http://www.stevemead...5015-bump4life/ MB C220 153 Trunk Car Build Log: http://www.stevemead...d/#entry1840136 MB C280 Ipad Dash SQ Build Log: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/194484-bump4lifes-new-benz-tony-c-relay-kit-pictures-ce-electric-audison-front-stage-installed/ My SPL Log: http://www.stevemead...__fromsearch__1 BMW M340 xDrive Stock, for now. Corner Load 10" maybe soon. But does 10s in the 1/4... Best Scores out of a trunk 153.0 sealed legal full tilt clamped 5524 @ 42 hz 154+ windows down, 155+ kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdsa23 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Interesting any testing with a battery? No testing with an additional battery, but if you look at the numbers it would only help in the situations were the voltage fell below 12.6V, since another battery is just a load to the alternator over 12.6V. We have an additional group 49 AGM battery all charged up and ready for testing. May do some dyno runs on Monday. Would like to see that. Quote XS Power D5100, 2 D2700s, & 2 D975s MechMan 220a Alt DC 5K Kicker 650.4 2 12 Ascendant Audio Mayhem's Pioneer DEH-P7200HD Rockford Fosgate 3sity.1 Build log: https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/166792-88-nissan-maxima-trunk-build/#entry2430899 https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/191439-lexus-is300-fi-crescendo-shca-rf-pics/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt14 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Would like to see what the results with your primary battery and a large AGM battery like a XS 3100 ran without a capacitor. This would be a similar set up like a lot of us members would run and see what the numbers would be. Also, stock alt? Quote 2006 GMC YukonPioneer HU SHCA ran throughout Crescendo BC3500 One 18 AA Mayhem in a 4th order ZED Levithian 6 channel Rainbow Dual 6.5 comps ran Activehttp://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/155628-matt14s-yukon-mayhem-in-a-4th-ordernew-amps-and-bats/page-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 hmmm, where to get a 100 farad capacitor... lol I like the testing you did. Still sticking with batteries since the only caps i can find anywhere near that range are from companies like scoshe and "Brand-X" Quote Rest in peace, walled 87 accord build log 03' Corolla build with AA Mayhem inside. My super random youtube channel and terrible camera work. Wiring comparison by CaptainzPlanetz Wire and fuse guide by Guest SyKo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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