Krakin Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just going to leave this quote here. From Nikon's Master Crafts-person Mr. Akria Koiso. "When you are taught a technique by your instructors, it is important that you not simply take it on trust but try and think about the whys and the wherefores. From time to time, you should try a different technique as well. Even if the technique you were taught turns out to be correct in the end, the repeated trial and error can still serve to increase your knowledge and skills. Even trials that do not bear fruit can still yield new ideas." 3 Quote Krakin's Home Dipole Project http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/186153-krakins-dipole-project-new-reciever-in-rockford-science/#entry2772370 Krakin, are you some sort of mad scientist? I would have replied earlier, but I was measuring the output of my amp with a yardstick . . . What you hear is not the air pressure variation in itself but what has drawn your attention in the two streams of superimposed air pressure variations at your eardrums An acoustic event has dimensions of Time, Tone, Loudness and Space Everyone learns to render the 3-dimensional localization of sound based on the individual shape of their ears, thus no formula can achieve a definite effect for every listener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncochran Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just going to leave this quote here. From Nikon's Master Crafts-person Mr. Akria Koiso. "When you are taught a technique by your instructors, it is important that you not simply take it on trust but try and think about the whys and the wherefores. From time to time, you should try a different technique as well. Even if the technique you were taught turns out to be correct in the end, the repeated trial and error can still serve to increase your knowledge and skills. Even trials that do not bear fruit can still yield new ideas." Very well said! I am pumped to see the reasons why I am wrong personally. I believe that in my application, CCA is perfectly fine. But... maybe I will learn something that will make me louder lol! Quote 2006 Scion xB 2 Sundown SA12D2 Ported at 32hz 147 on non termlab (140-142 on TL) Currently in a walled 4th @ 50hz (not metered yet) Hifonics brz2100 Alpine Type-S Components Kicker 300.2 Big 3 / Skyhigh 1/0 cca Optima Blue Top 3 e8s ported at 32hz 135.1 sealed on dash @ 56hz 135.0 outlaw (I must have chosen song poorly lol) Build log 'Brandon15zzz', on 09 May 2012 - 3:13 PM, said: May have been clipping but none fucks were givin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter99 Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I am intersted to find out all these answers! I'm completely a why guy! You say why this is the way it is, can you explain to me why you think it is or prove to me why fact says it is. How can I do this? Explination is this.............. Ok why is it that way, what makes it work like that, how is that fact and the way it actually is? I don't just want an answer, I want an answer and an answer to the answer. So I agree with what Finkster is saying. HOWEVER, nobody has even said that until he posted that a few posts back. But it's irritating as fuck that some of you guys around here like to just argue for the sake of arguing! Some of you guys just want to argue cause no-one wants to or has the balls to admit when they're wrong or what they believed in was not fact as they thought or believed it was. I think for some of you, Jesus Christ could come appearing out of the sky right in front of your face and you'd still find a way to argue it's not him! (not turning this into a religious thing, just a perfect example of an argument of fact, did or didn't exist, which has gone on for thousands of years) OFC>CCA for some, CCA>OFC for others. Why don't you agree to disagree until Tony proves his point? Then at that point, if he doesn't explain fully why and his results of "real world" testing, then argue the point of one side or the other. Otherwise you're all wrong, and that's fact!! 4 Quote Facebook Page: S99Creations 2006 F250 Lariat Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Jolley Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Following, thanks Tony for any and all of the knowledge you can pass on. :popcorn: 2 Quote Alpine CDE-HD149BT Head Unit Hertz HSK 165XL Audison SR4 (Running the Hertz 6.5) Audison SR2 (Running the Hertz Tweets) Ascendant Audio Mayhems 4- 12" (Being Built) DC 7.5K 230 AMP Singer ALT 6 XS-D3000 Batteries (Back) (In the works) 1-XS-D3400 Battery (Front) Lots of SHCA Wire and Accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBleedMusick Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I am intersted to find out all these answers! I'm completely a why guy! You say why this is the way it is, can you explain to me why you think it is or prove to me why fact says it is. How can I do this? Explination is this.............. Ok why is it that way, what makes it work like that, how is that fact and the way it actually is? I don't just want an answer, I want an answer and an answer to the answer. So I agree with what Finkster is saying. HOWEVER, nobody has even said that until he posted that a few posts back. But it's irritating as fuck that some of you guys around here like to just argue for the sake of arguing! Some of you guys just want to argue cause no-one wants to or has the balls to admit when they're wrong or what they believed in was not fact as they thought or believed it was. I think for some of you, Jesus Christ could come appearing out of the sky right in front of your face and you'd still find a way to argue it's not him! (not turning this into a religious thing, just a perfect example of an argument of fact, did or didn't exist, which has gone on for thousands of years) OFC>CCA for some, CCA>OFC for others. Why don't you agree to disagree until Tony proves his point? Then at that point, if he doesn't explain fully why and his results of "real world" testing, then argue the point of one side or the other. Otherwise you're all wrong, and that's fact!! Two thumbs up now get off your soapbox before you hurt your other foot Brad....I mean Scott. 5 Quote 2013 Dodge Charger Build Log 1996 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0Build Log 2005 Honda Civic LX Coupe Build Log SMD SUPER SELLER!!!!My Selling Feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quiet Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 Blindly? No. Tony has proven himself. But its funny how it doesn't even seem to give some of you any pause... Then you are basing this off of faith. There is no doubt in my mind that Tony's grasp of audio knowledge surpasses almost everyone on this site. That being said, people want to know why so they can understand the answer. The answer is either OFC> CCA or CCA> Copper. Tony says OFC>CCA and while I don't think he is wrong, WHY is he right? What is classified as "better?" Same cross section, same weight? What? WHY is it not OK? It is not an argument, it is us asking for the proof that it is right. These claims are all pretty exciting and interesting and I hope to learn a bunch from watching the videos. Blind faith?? No actually i'm not. BTW that response was to a post that was deleted. I'm not gonna spoil it, but it makes perfect sense when you hear the reasoning behind it. Tony will explain... I'm the kind of guy that has to question everything too. Quote 2007 Pacifica Rebuild. Less quiet. Still not loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 OFC > CCA. When you see why you'll slap yourself. Edit: you guys are really gonna argue with an engineer that just reinvented an amplifier topology to build the T15K? Maybe you should humble yourselves because you sound as bad as the noobs on this site who know everything already. Not to be an ass, but the opinion pushed is being backed by REAL WORLD TESTING, not on paper. yes as a DIRECT comparison, OFC > CCA, but for current carrying capacity (not resistance), for the cost CCA is better. You can do 3 runs of CCA for the price of 1 Run of OFC. OFC will carry 300 max, CCA will carry close to 600. So are you willing to lose battery capacity in extra resistance? Cost isn't the only factor influencing the answer here. Quote 2007 Pacifica Rebuild. Less quiet. Still not loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ball2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 I have my own theory but im also a guy with 12 runs of ofc in my truck and im just a nobody. I have a feeling that some are making this bigger than the intended scope 3 Quote THERE IS NO BUILD LOG! 1998 Chevy Silverado ext cab Alpine CDA-9887 4 Team Fi 15s 2 Ampere Audio TFE 8.0 2 Ampere Audio 150.4 3 Digital Designs CS6.5 component sets Dual Mechman 370XP Elite alternators inbound! 8 XS Power d3400 6 XS power d680 Second Skin Stinger Tsunami Wiring Sky High A Real Voltmeter not a piece of shit stinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finkster Posted September 18, 2013 Report Share Posted September 18, 2013 OFC > CCA. When you see why you'll slap yourself. Edit: you guys are really gonna argue with an engineer that just reinvented an amplifier topology to build the T15K? Maybe you should humble yourselves because you sound as bad as the noobs on this site who know everything already. Not to be an ass, but the opinion pushed is being backed by REAL WORLD TESTING, not on paper. yes as a DIRECT comparison, OFC > CCA, but for current carrying capacity (not resistance), for the cost CCA is better. You can do 3 runs of CCA for the price of 1 Run of OFC. OFC will carry 300 max, CCA will carry close to 600. So are you willing to lose battery capacity in extra resistance? Cost isn't the only factor influencing the answer here. What extra resistance? The comparison is 3 runs of CCA vs 1 run of copper, based on the fact that you can buy 3 runs of CCA for the price of one copper run. But for simplicity, I will compare only two runs of aluminum to 1 run of copper. IIRC 2 wires identical in size run in parallel act as a cable 3 sizes lower. So those two runs equal one run of aluminum 4/0 in size. One run of aluminum 4/0 will yield less resistance than one run of copper 1/0 of the same distance. Quote DAT 4125------>RE XXX comps active Eclipse cd7000 I serve drunks for a living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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