Dale Posted May 22, 2020 Report Share Posted May 22, 2020 I need some recommendations as far as the loudest possible 4" mid-range speaker. I am planning a build with 2 15s and need to be able to hear my vocals over the bass. The main goal here is LOUD and CLEAR. No budget. Vehicle: 2015 BMW X3 What I have now: Alpine S-S40 coaxials. I will get the amplifier power to match, I just need some ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1point21gigawatts Posted May 22, 2020 Report Share Posted May 22, 2020 https://www.parts-express.com/morel-msw-114-shallow-classic-series-4-dpc-cone-woofer-midrange-4-ohms--297-002 sold individually. 150 rms a piece. They are warm and get loud. Awesome sound quality. “How can we help you?” “And don’t forget to tell them that the customer isn’t always right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted May 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2020 Thank you for the recommendation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1point21gigawatts Posted May 22, 2020 Report Share Posted May 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dale said: Thank you for the recommendation! You’re welcome dude! “How can we help you?” “And don’t forget to tell them that the customer isn’t always right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I actually bought the Morels. They didn't quite work out in my favor. They are considerably quieter than the Alpines I had and can't handle the 150 Watts that they claim. I had to cross them over to 120Hz+ to avoid over-driving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1point21gigawatts Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I thought you were a sound quality guy. They are warm sounding. They don’t scream. They are sound quality drivers. And how do you know they can’t handle 150 rms? No 45 rms 4” alpine type s coaxials will get louder than 150 rms morel midranges unless you’re doing something wrong. The alpines would get louder at lower rms though because they have a lower rms setting. And they scream because they have tweeters (highs) in them. But at 150 rms them midrange would be way louder than them alpines at 45 rms. Them midranges can handle rated rms. You might be clipping. Morel handles rated. For sure. You’re doing something wrong. Plus you forget, that coaxials have tweeters and midranges dont. So there isn’t any highs coming out of the MIDranges so they won’t scream like them alpines will because the lack of high frequencies. You need highs with MIDs to get loud and scream. Just add some tweeters with some bass blockers and tune your amp better. “How can we help you?” “And don’t forget to tell them that the customer isn’t always right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I do appreciate SQ....but I also like my ears to bleed a little every now and then. I have them paired with Tweeters (around the same rated power). I admit, they do sound very warm and emotional especially when burned in. I currently have about 250 Wrms going to each door. It may just be physical damage to the actual driver as it sounds like the former is hitting something and only the right side is doing this. I will inspect it further and let you know for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1point21gigawatts Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dale said: I do appreciate SQ....but I also like my ears to bleed a little every now and then. I have them paired with Tweeters (around the same rated power). I admit, they do sound very warm and emotional especially when burned in. I currently have about 250 Wrms going to each door. It may just be physical damage to the actual driver as it sounds like the former is hitting something and only the right side is doing this. I will inspect it further and let you know for sure.... Contact parts-express and tell them. They are a good company and I’m pretty sure they will make remedy that problem. How are you running the mids in reference with each other and to your amp? And what type of tweeters? “How can we help you?” “And don’t forget to tell them that the customer isn’t always right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Here is a breakdown of my system: --BMW Headunit with Hifi 676 option going to a Technic harness which provides low level balanced differential outputs (front and rear) --This goes to an Audiocontrol DM-608 DSP >> (X2) Precision Power 520.4 (soon to be replaced) and a Sundown SFB 5K --One PP 520.4 is connected to the Morels and Alpine SPR-10TW tweeters bridged. --The other PP 520.4 runs the center stock speaker bridged (crossed at 115Hz) and 2 underseat 8" midbass drivers @ 2ohm each. --The Sundown 5K is on 1 15" Skar Audio VXFD4 --Rear door speakers are disconnected ATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1point21gigawatts Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 You aren’t gonna get that sound you are looking for that you described by using silk dome tweeters. Get some titanium or aluminum dome tweeters. Same size. Or better yet, get a some 1” super tweeters. They will come with bass blockers. Most likely. If not, I’ll send you a link to purchase some from parts express. And make sure you set dsp where it crosses over at 3500hz and the tweeters don’t put out as much as the mids, less than half as much as the mids. “How can we help you?” “And don’t forget to tell them that the customer isn’t always right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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