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I'm sorry if we covered this already, but, how did you tune your gain? Also, if you can, take a picture of how you have your crossovers set. 

That's a powerful amp! We should be able to figure something out. It'll do 250 watts at 2 ohm per channel. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to figure this out

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16 minutes ago, Dafaseles said:

I'm sorry if we covered this already, but, how did you tune your gain? Also, if you can, take a picture of how you have your crossovers set. 

That's a powerful amp! We should be able to figure something out. It'll do 250 watts at 2 ohm per channel. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to figure this out

The gains were set using a DD-1 and for the crossovers, I have the front channels on High Pass at roughly 1200Hz. Any lower than that, I started to notice the B2 6.5 woofers were bottoming out. Also the front channels are connected to the B2 passive crossovers with the switch at -3db.  Now on this 4 channel, all Channels are taken which is why I want to add another 2 channel to power the new mids. 

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So, the high pass crossover sound be set way lower. Like 90 hz, 120 at the most. What we need to find for you is a component set that can handle all those watts!

So you have front speakers hooked up to channels 1&2 and rear speakers on channel 3&4?

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3 hours ago, Dafaseles said:

So, the high pass crossover sound be set way lower. Like 90 hz, 120 at the most. What we need to find for you is a component set that can handle all those watts!

So you have front speakers hooked up to channels 1&2 and rear speakers on channel 3&4?

Yes I threw in something back there for the people who sit in the back

 

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So, here's what I've found kind of poking around the internet. 

 

https://skyhighcaraudio.com/shca-65c3p-premium-neo-3-way-6-5-component-set-4-ohm-neo-motors-titanium-dome/

If that little speaker will fit in that location, these should be able to handle the power of that amp. Though I've never heard them, and I haven't heard anyone talk about them. Though what SHCA has posted on their different components, loud shouldn't be an issue. 

 

https://www.skaraudio.com/products/spx-65c-6-5-inch-component-speaker-system

 

Some people absolutely hate Skar, some people swear by it. These are 200 watt RMS, so these should work fine, just be conservative with the gain and the high pass filter. 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/aluma-6-6-5-300-watts-rms-2-ohm-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are kind of on the expensive side, but they would take all that power easy. 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/carbon-6-6-5-280-watts-rms-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are massive audio as well, a little cheaper, but still, would handle the power from that amp easy 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/zk6-6-5-200-watts-rms-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are only 200 watt RMS, so again, you'd have to be easy with the gain. 

 

Or, that money you are willing to spend on another amp, maybe get a DSP instead and go active. Then you can piece together your own component set with your own crossover points. 

The reason you had to set your high pass so high was because that speaker couldn't handle the wattage. So by getting higher RMS speakers, they can handle the power and you can lower the high pass down to an acceptable range. What I think is happening is because you have the high pass set so high, the majority of the music is only coming through at probably -12db per octave increments, thus making the music not loud enough. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Dafaseles said:

So, here's what I've found kind of poking around the internet. 

 

https://skyhighcaraudio.com/shca-65c3p-premium-neo-3-way-6-5-component-set-4-ohm-neo-motors-titanium-dome/

If that little speaker will fit in that location, these should be able to handle the power of that amp. Though I've never heard them, and I haven't heard anyone talk about them. Though what SHCA has posted on their different components, loud shouldn't be an issue. 

 

https://www.skaraudio.com/products/spx-65c-6-5-inch-component-speaker-system

 

Some people absolutely hate Skar, some people swear by it. These are 200 watt RMS, so these should work fine, just be conservative with the gain and the high pass filter. 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/aluma-6-6-5-300-watts-rms-2-ohm-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are kind of on the expensive side, but they would take all that power easy. 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/carbon-6-6-5-280-watts-rms-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are massive audio as well, a little cheaper, but still, would handle the power from that amp easy 

 

https://store.soundsolutionsaudio.com/zk6-6-5-200-watts-rms-component-kit-speakers-by-massive-audio/

These are only 200 watt RMS, so again, you'd have to be easy with the gain. 

 

Or, that money you are willing to spend on another amp, maybe get a DSP instead and go active. Then you can piece together your own component set with your own crossover points. 

The reason you had to set your high pass so high was because that speaker couldn't handle the wattage. So by getting higher RMS speakers, they can handle the power and you can lower the high pass down to an acceptable range. What I think is happening is because you have the high pass set so high, the majority of the music is only coming through at probably -12db per octave increments, thus making the music not loud enough. 

 

Damn im probably gonna have to move the crossover inside. Cause as of now the tweeter is mounted inside the sail where all the wiring leads inside the door. Thats another issue. The B2 Tweeter barely cleared the doors shell lol. I gotta hit the drawing board before I get anything. I like that Aluma set but the tweeter is too big to fit in the sail panel so I need to find the best are to mount the crossover to avoid a wire clutter in that back of the truck. Those Skars would fit but I have to get new sail panels cause I the cutout is much bigger for the B2

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I was looking at those aluma too. Those look like beasts! 

Here's how I see it. I had 4 12's on 4 JX1000.1's right behind me in a Silverado. I only had about 800 watts of mids and highs and you could hear them perfectly. You've got half as much bass and over twice the power for your mids and highs than I did. With the correct equipment, and correct crossover settings, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to hear your mids 

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12 minutes ago, Dafaseles said:

I was looking at those aluma too. Those look like beasts! 

Here's how I see it. I had 4 12's on 4 JX1000.1's right behind me in a Silverado. I only had about 800 watts of mids and highs and you could hear them perfectly. You've got half as much bass and over twice the power for your mids and highs than I did. With the correct equipment, and correct crossover settings, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to hear your mids 

Ok so both massive audios tweeter have the same mounting depth as the B2's so they both should work. Now the Carbon 6 do 280 watts at 4 ohms. My current amp will underpower those like crazy lol. Will that be a problem? Man now you got me playing tic tac toe LOL

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15 minutes ago, Zori.L83 said:

 

 

Ok so both massive audios tweeter have the same mounting depth as the B2's so they both should work. Now the Carbon 6 do 280 watts at 4 ohms. My current amp will underpower those like crazy lol. Will that be a problem? Man now you got me playing tic tac toe LOL

You have to remember both the driver and the tweeter are 4 ohm and on the same channel, so that channel will be seeing 2 ohm

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38 minutes ago, Dafaseles said:

You have to remember both the driver and the tweeter are 4 ohm and on the same channel, so that channel will be seeing 2 ohm

What if im going to use the passive crossovers they come with? Im a little confused here so my B2's are reading 2 ohms at my amp? I dont want to run active cause I dont know how to do all that and I cant really trust the shops in my area to do it.

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