holdenater Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 I've tried doing some research on designing enclosures that are made for hair tricks. So far I have found that you want a vented box tuned very low. I have a Cascade Design Omega 18" powered by a Sundown 3500D. I just got this equipment and haven't stared the box yet. The woofer recommends a 6.5 cube box but I read that if you want to do hair tricks you need a larger box. So how many cubes do I need? Also i read that a fourth order enclosure is also better for hair tricks. I will be making the box myself but from the looks of it a fourth order is very complex. Whats the best frequency to tune to for doing hair tricks? What can you tell me thats the best for my setup for doing hair tricks in a chevy malibu hatch back. Chevy Malibu Maxx 3.5L V6 - 275+ HP Custom Paint Scheme Custom Interior 5% VLT Tint Konig 18" Wheels Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum Tire Borla Performance Turbo Dual Cat Back Exhaust Pioneer AVIC-110BT 4x 6.5 MTX TDX6502 - 60RMS MTX 704x 4CH Door AMP - 70RMS ea. CH Monster XLN 304 & XLN 402 Interconnects Single Cascade Design Omega 18 - 3500RMS Sundown SAZ-3500D - 3500RMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byers319 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 98% sure your going to need more cone area.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman08 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 98% sure your going to need more cone area.. what kind of vehicle does the op have?..i could do pretty nice hair tricks out of my old impala with 2 12'' aq hdc3s runnin off of saz3500 its all about the box and imo aero ports are the way to go but allot of people here dont listen Youtube.com/J Hutch22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 I did a hair-trick with a pre-fab with my 2 12" L7's with 2600RMS with mad voltage drop. Did it with Ludacris - How Low. Have a vid on my phone. Don't know how to upload though. So the 98% thing about cone area ain't that true. Edit: In a trunk car with woofers facing towards the rear. Derp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman08 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 I did a hair-trick with a pre-fab with my 2 12" L7's with 2600RMS with mad voltage drop. Did it with Ludacris - How Low. Have a vid on my phone. Don't know how to upload though. So the 98% thing about cone area ain't that true. Edit: In a trunk car with woofers facing towards the rear. doubt that with that box design Youtube.com/J Hutch22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byers319 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 what kind of vehicle does the op have?..i could do pretty nice hair tricks out of my old impala with 2 12'' aq hdc3s runnin off of saz3500 its all about the box and imo aero ports are the way to go but allot of people here dont listen Chevy malibu hatchback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corteznewbie Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 so is it possible to do a shirt trick w/ a prefab and 1000 watts Team DBs (Driven By sound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 so is it possible to do a shirt trick w/ a prefab and 1000 watts depends on what the tuning on the box is. I know off 4k my 15 did some nasty shirt tricks at 29 hertz. Now with 2 12" hdc3's off 2 aq3500's im hoping to get even nastier. 2006 Nissan Z Track. My Feedback Thread i used to think a band pass was something you were around your neck or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman08 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 so is it possible to do a shirt trick w/ a prefab and 1000 watts small one Youtube.com/J Hutch22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raytard Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 tune low, <30hz seal off from trunk and fire into cabin, you need air movement, not pressure if you're doing a 4th order, just tune it real low, like 26/56 or something along those lines. You just want the ability to play <30hz at near 150db. thats going to be hard with the cone and power you have. I've sat in cars that can meter in the 150-160 range and would never pull a hairtrick, there's a huge difference between being spl loud and being musically loud. If it doesnt work go bigger, its not an exact science so we can't tell you exactly what to do, all we can say is that decent hairtricks have been pulled off with a similar amount of cone area in similarly sized cars so go for it and post results and a build so everyone else can learn. Build: http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/ind...hl=avalon+build monster/rockford/kicker/stinger cables, pioneer source, jbl highs/amps, kinetik/shuriken batts, iraggi alt, dei security, dc subs(atleast for now) Team DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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