well hearing all of your guys info the w7 doesnt seem worth the money.. like i said i havent been into car audio for some time so sorry if i dont know a whole lot about newer things.. it just seemed like the w7 was the best subs right now just from looking around a little bit.. i was also looking at the rockford t2s.. are those any good? and whats the best two 12" subs i can get right now? thanks for all the info