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Posts posted by nCOMP1337
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Yea, I could taper it, didnt think of that
I wouldnt mind trying a taper, I dont know how that affects tuning though and how to calculate for that, is it sort of like horn theory, cause I dont know how to calculate that either
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I had fun with this, was just curious how large it would be and it is quite big, I've been told T-Lines arent good with high amounts of power, but as I said this was just for fun, 1 SMD woofer cost moe than my entire setup, so no way would this come to fruition at least not by me
This box has a lot of port, mainly due to its nearly 16 inches of mounting depth
SUB: SMD / AA 15
Dual 2
Fs: 30.1
Qms: 4.99
Qes: 0.29
Qts: 0.27
Sd: 810cm^2 (half of actual port area, lol)
Mounting Depth: 15.75 including stud
Outer Diameter: 15.625
Cutout Diameter: 14.125
Sub Displacement: .24 cuft
Weight: 73 pounds
Box:
Outer Dimension: 63 wide x 39 deep x 20 tall
Inner Volume: 16.65 cuft after displacement (not accounting further bracing)
Tuned to 29.7 Hz
Port Length: 114 inches
Port area: 256 inches (yes tons, not sure how that will affect its functioning within the T-Line)
Now I think if this worked, 3 of these next to each other or stacked in a walled type of configuration (floor to ceiling) would just be cool, just cause I like T-Lines, for the money spent and functionality you would probably want, much easier way to go about a setup like this of course, I just wanted to see how it would look
Inside View
Complete with X ray
Complete
Since it will be a while before I can afford my sub, and I have my own design for a box done and too much free time due to no job, I just have a bit of fun trying to design boxes, I wish I knew more about 4th, 6th, and BP designs, those would be fun
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60hz is way high..
i know, but that is the Fs of the speaker, not sure what the F3 of the speaker would be, but i dont know how well the speaker would play below tuning, but this should give it a short range, maybe from 55-65-70
yea, its like a fart box Tline, lol
considering T-lines are known for getting loud and laying a good wide bandwidth of frequencies, lol
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then can you give the dimensions of the box you have or plan to have, and what ports your wanting, and what subs will go in there and what power
with the right info, someone on here can do the math for you and use torres to get the tuning your looking for
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in terms of quality i think crescendo and audioque are quite close
i know AQs are underrated a bit i believe not sure about crescendos
as far as cadence goes, i think it depends on which line of amps do rated and i am not sure which are the ones, but i know many of their amps are good, just dont know which
i would also suggest AQ1200 over a cadence, AQ is about the best budget quality amp you can get
crescendo is priced jsut right to compete and it does give good power, but as far as a company, AQ has more time in the business, but that doesnt mean crescendo isnt just as good
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yea
so say 1 4 inch port is 5 inches long, the area of that port would be 20 square inches, so say you have 6 of those, thats a combined total port area of 120 square inches
so here as long as the combined total port area is 120 square inches, you should be fine
so like 2 6 inch aeros at 10 inches long would net you 120 square inches of port
this is at least how i see it, read my sig though i am a noob, it is best to allow someone else to chime in, but to me this is how the area would work and as long as the area is the same it should matter, though i do think less bigger ports are better than more smaller ports, so wanting 1 or 2 instead of 6 is a good choice
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I believe as long as the area of the port is equal, that is what you should be concerned with, so you would need to know the length and diameter of the smaller aero ports and then find the area by multiplying diameter by length and multiply by number of aero ports, then you would have to find 1-2 larger aero ports that is equal to or as close to equal to the area of the smaller ports
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Here is the one that is to spec
31 wide x 11.25 tall x 11 deep
56 inch port length = 4.67 cuft
40.5 sq in port area
Tuned to 60.5 Hz
For the cut out of the sub, I used 8 inches for the model, because the outer diameter is 8.8 inches, im not sure what the cutout is, so you woudl have to adjust that when cutting it out, but that wont affect anything else
Cut Sheet List: Based on easiest way to cut (if you can make multiple pieces the same size, i thin that works best, this is how I tried to make the cut sheet)
Top: 11 x 31
Middle: 9.5 x 25.75
Bottom: 11 x 31
Front: 9.75 x 31
Back: 9.75 31
Side without Port: 9.5 x 9.75
Side with Port: 4.5 x 9.5
45s: 3.75 (that length is before you cut the actual 45 for the wood, the side of the 45 facing towards the port is 3.75 long, the side facing towards the corner will be shorter after you 45 it)
any other questions let me know
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well, a U turn box like the one i made, is the simplest to make, less chance of any mistakes, and should perform well, in Tlines i Believe the least amount of turns allows for best performance, if you have the room for a b ox like this, this would probably be the best tline to go for
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to be honest, i am not sure why those particular t/s specs are important for a t-line, ive been told before just cant remember, but i know if you read the quaterwave T-line tutorial it talks about those particular specs and where you want them
here is a rough estimate based ont he drawing you made and the port area and length needed
this is just 5 min rough sketch, i can make a much better one in a bit, this was just to see if its what you wanted
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are there any other specs you can give? QMS, QTS, QES are each good to know for a tline, because they help determine if the sub would work very well, or so i believe
you want a qms of less than 7, qes and qts of less than .4
Fs:60, Qms:5.23, Qes:0.89, Qts:0.76
it has a good qms, however, qts and qes are twice where you really want them to be
you are on the right track, the second design in the bottom right would work good, you want the port close to the sub, you got the port length spot on, du to the mounting depth of the speaker and height, you will need at least 9 inch high port and minimum 4.5 in wide port, that would give you 40.5 sq in of port, which is very close to your 41
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i use OFC welding cable, about 3 bucks per foot, cant remember strand count, but its good stuff and pretty flexible
get it on ebay through coppercableman or at trystar.com
that and rockford fosgate is all i have experience with
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ive seen sa-10s take 1200 on good electrical and clean in put of course
the AA chaos would also take that, its probably close to that price range or barely out of it
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price point is ~139 i believe, so priced good i think
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And the Eagle has landed!
now wheres the vid, it showed up in my subscription list, i clicked on it and it said removed, LOL
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nice, ive seen a few baffles with that sort of design , because subs had to be close, always liked how it looked
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if i remember right, didnt they actually rate the tsns 10 at more like 3500 rms because of suspension or other issues which would prevent it form safely handling the full 5000 like the tsns
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maybe find someone on craigslist, thats prolly it
collectable anything is barely worth much these days and if it is, no one wants to pay value
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better equipment would definitely help, the audio you had is pretty entry level i believe, what size power and ground wire did the shop install, and what fusing did they have on it? If you plan to upgrade, believe me you can UPGRADE to 10s, LOL some beasty 10s available., maybe you meant downsize, anyways, lets us know your budget, plans, car, electrical, and people will try to help you out
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Your just like my friend, you want to hang with the big dogs on a little dog salary.
Everyone does this, one kid wanted a system to compare to mine for under 1k total, I was like woah now my alt cost more than half that!
lol
i do think decent systems can be had for under 1k, if you take the time to find all the parts it takes, you arent gonna find everything for a good deal at once
my entire system will barely reach 1k in total cost, it will be a ~2000 rms system, but wont know how decent it is until its built an d is playing, but at least all parts are good equipment
i hate it when people just want cheap and go to walmart to buy something, if they want to thats fine, but you can still get good equipment for a good price if you take the time to look
but just saying i want to do that, but im not spending over X amount for it, no can do there, lol
there is a reason, that 150DB, hairtricks, 160DB, windshield shatter, are all milestones in the car audio world, they are not easy to get
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Looks nice
always nice seeing your designs
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i agree with much of the above, why want to run a lot of power and then cheap out on subs or any part of the build for that matter? if you are running 3000RMS rather than 3000 peak rating, your not gonna find any cheap equipment that will do that, unless it is all used and even then your luckily to find what your looking for, and even you plan on buying decent subs rated less and then overpowering because youve seen that others can do that, you definitely dont want to cheap out on anything, because you really need clean electrical, install etc. to overpower subs safely
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no worries, another plus with coppercableman, even though its doesnt matter tons, is you can have your name or something custom printed on the wire every foot, lol mine says "Noob at Work" every foot, haha
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for a few extra bucks you can get OFC welding cable from coppercableman on ebay and its free shipping and its known to be quality wire, when i bought it it was 3 dollars per foot
but i have no experience with that wire
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ahh, that makes sense with the qts, i know the definitions of them, just couldn't remember why it as good or bad for it to be a higher or lower number depending on what you wanted to do