I bought them from j,weeks22. 385 with shipping it include a box two 15 ma audio 1500xl subs and a ma audio 1500 watt amp. i have a friend with these woofers and they bump hard. maybe u had a bad pair. I dont want to spend a ton of money on subs and shit. i have to save for college and insurance. dont get me wrong i love car audio but i dont have as much time to spend on it as i did before. also can i have those box plans thnx