well, i mean, i think he wanted me to be loud, he has been selling memphis for about 9 years, and in car audio for about 15, and has two, 15" memphis mojo's, with 2,200watts, and was the damned loudest thing i have ever heard, the closed garage door behind us was shaking back and fourth, and so, i don't hold it against him, but i just don't know why he didn't think they would be good subs..