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  1. That is exactly what we are trying to build. It is hard to make a living in the quality car audio market when you arent a manufacture, but I just cant stoop down to selling products that I wouldnt put in my own vehicles. I guess it is different for a company that is just in it to make a buck, but when you are involved in the industry and understand true quality, I just cant put my name on the line for a product that isnt quality.

  2. Just a quick review of this amp.

    Much smaller footprinted than its big brother, the 175.4, but still packs a big punch in a small packages. I was very very pleased with the output of this amplifier. It has fully active on board crossovers for those of you who like to bypass the stock crossovers or who run pro audio.

    Overall this amplifier completely passed the Amp Dyno Test.

    http://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/dc-audio-904-p-212.html

    Use code YOUTUBE90 to save at checkout.

  3. Here is my last arguement on this and I am done with this.

    AMM1 for $359 on pre sale, takes all of the guess work out of this. This arguement has beeen over a dummy loaded test where both methods SHOULD agree. But when you take both methods into a vehcile, clamping is complete shit. The AMM1 will do all of the work for you AND give you TRUE WATTS!

  4. TFade had a legitimate reason to question the test and is the reason I went back to redo it.

    Here is the fact to using the scope. You are relying on your eyes to visually detect clipping. I dont care how good your scope is, there is now the human error element.

    I used my own eyes to see where I could visually see clipping and it was higher than where the AMM1 first saw it.

  5. Dyno reading tells me that this amplifier made 622w of clean power before it detected clipping.

    AMM1 tells me that it sees 637VA with a power factor of 100% before it seeing clipping.

    AMM1 tells me that it sees 730VA with a power factor of 100% right when it sees clipping.

    MY EYES tell me that just before I can visually see clipping, there is 784VA with a 100% power factor.

    MY EYES tell me that when I can first visually see clipping, there is 846VA with a 100% power factor.

    Summary. Dyno says 622w of clean power. AMM says 637w of clean power. MY EYES using a Scope tell me 784w of clean power.

  6. Before someone wants to come out and say it, I dont care what you think you would be able to see on the scope, this is what I saw. iF you would like to argue that point, please feel free to buy all of the equipment necessary and do your own testing for the viewing pleasure of others.

    Now on to the results.

    Screen Shot 1 frame before clipping light turns on.

    50.6vAC

    12.6aAC

    Power Factor of 100% makes this 637.56w

    ScreenShot2014-01-23at53423PM_zps4e1158d

    Screen shot 1 frame later with clipping light on.

    54.1vAC

    13.5aAC

    Power Factor of 100% makes this 730.35w

    ScreenShot2014-01-23at53436PM_zpse9d41e2

    Screen Shot 1 frame before I can visually see clipping

    56vAC

    14aAC

    Power Factor of 100% makes this 784w

    ScreenShot2014-01-23at55203PM_zpsaa57635

    Screen shot where I can first visually see clipping.

    58.4vAC

    14.5aAC

    Power Factor of 100% makes this 846.8w

    ScreenShot2014-01-23at53501PM_zpsc5474d8

    Dyno Reading

    ScreenShot2014-01-23at53513PM_zps1f6060b

  7. All I gotta say is amm-1 is a great tool. Pricey but good tool. Prolly best smd tool to date.

    Video showed clamp wrong. Admit it and move forward. How hard is it to make another 4 minute video? Someone who doesn't read through all these pages or watches video on Facebook or YouTube are going to be mislead. Your product can sell itself, doesn't need to put others down in false ways to sell it.

    For clamping in a car to see real power this tool is probably the easiest most affordable out there. Are there other ways, yes but this tool will eliminate all human error and be dead on everytime.

    Awesome stuff.

    How about this, would you like me to redo the test and use only a TRMS Multi meter. THen how are you going to know the point where clipping occured?

    The only thing wrong with what I did may be the way I come across on the video instead of explaining why there is such a drastic difference.

    Here is the fact of the matter. 99% of people who clamp are going to do exactly what I did. Take the biggest number you see and claim it as watts.

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  8. This is getting interesting. Looks like a lot of people are taking this video the wrong way.

    We obviously have a couple of people in here that do have an idea how to properly use clamps on a resistive load. But how many people really do? I will be more than happy to redo the video and show more detail.

    Here are a few facts

    1) on a resistive load, dyno and clamping should match.

    2) dyno tells you the number straight up, to find the correct nber while clamping, you have to watch the sine wave to find the point that you think is just at or before clipping.

    3) how many people that clamp, do it with a scope? Not many. Most use a dmm and cheap clamp. Even using a resistive load, you can't see your sine wave on a dmm so you just take the biggest number. Not accurate.

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  9. thank you cj18, that's what I was trying to explain with my last post but you said it much better.

    in short what im seeing is that with out the proper equipment (which gets expensive just for a good scope) you cant get an accurate results from the clamping that most people do. it can be a more accurate test with the right tools at hand and more work but for the money the amm1 is a steal.

    all the scopes ive seen run around $300-400 for a nice one. don't forget the dmm and getting a test bench together to put a reactive load on the amp to get a true rms reading at a given load.

    You are looking at about $5000 worth of testing equipment sitting on my make shift bench. I have the tools to do the job correctly, most people dont.

    The AMM1 now provides an affordable solution that.

    That's what i'm trying to say, with cost difference between the tools needed to get an accurate test the amm1 is a hands down winner.

    Yes clamping with the right tools can give you More accurate result but still not 100% and not as cost effective. Let's face it us audio guys are always looking for a good way to save money while still getting the install done right. The amm1 helps do that plus some with ease and accuracy.

    Sorry if anyone feels like i'm baking clamping, not trying to. It's the way of the past and inaccurate compared to the amm1. For a cost effective tool the amm1 is a steal.

    Unless the amm1 is cheaper than 250 bucks then it's actually not the better deal. But if you honestly need something that can measure taking into account for the power factor then I guess spend the extra money. 99% of people don't do it and so the industry standard is basically clamping for voltamps.

    And VA isnt watts.

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