its all good steve i got the subs 2 days before show and couldnt get them installed in time.. i have them in a cut through so when i lay down the seats u see the signature and when u look through back you c the magnets. its not that im not impressed they perform good but for the extra money i dunno. i like them tho. wouldnt change them. i will learn to post pics and post a few of the build.