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  4. A question for people who carry guns on them

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    #1 the gun gets drawn in an attempt to diffuse the situation whether or not I shoot is up to that person.

    #2 if it's about to be my life or his it's going to be his every time.

    You have 1 major issue. If a weapon is drawn, you damn sure better use it. NO weapon should be drawn without the intent of firing. If my weapon comes out of my holster, shots will be fired. If you draw your weapon and do not discharge, you now open yourself to brandishing charges. If shots are fired you have at least a shot at a self defense claim.

    Moral of this story DO NOT pull your weapon unless you are going to use it.

    There are some situations that you may not have to fire after drawing... A semi intelligent criminal is NOT going to keep advancing towards you if you draw a weapon on them... I will say that in more cases than not if you're forced to draw then yes you'll be firing that weapon but there are a few instances that you may not have to... Example (Criminal approaches you at Gas station and demands your $$ you create distance and draw on that person... Light bulb comes on for them and they retreat..You don't fire because then you're a murderer)

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  5. A question for people who carry guns on them

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    Well, being in Canada... I cant carry :(

    BUT... If I could and was...

    I'd be a lot like a couple people that's posted on here, and try to avoid taking a life as much as possible.

    If the robbery had progressed to the point of a little rough housing and he was on his way out, I'd let him go.

    If he was beating said old man (or my father like the scenario plays out) I would draw give him an ultimatum (very short and strong worded)

    The end of that story would play out and the decision to pull the trigger would depend on if he complied and took the easy road or not.

    I mean that's an ideal.... In reality it could be taken a different way and skipped right to the non easy way due to emotions and adrenaline.

    Scenario 2 is something similar to a situation I was put in at one point in time. (Except with a knife and not in a car) in which the guy trying to rob me (knife vs knife) got cut up pretty bad, and I got a couple stitches here and there.

    Gun wise if I could do so (due to his hands being on said firearm already) he would be immobilized. I wouldn't dump a mag in him because like I said i wouldn't want to take a life, and he wouldnt be doing time because of it.

    I mean.... Like scenario one adrenaline might take over and he might be full of core samples.... The first being the ideal.

    The only thing I will say is that IF you're going to use your gun you need to go all the way or not at all... You will get in more trouble intentionally wounding a person than from them dying as a result of their actions... Neutralizing the said threat does not always mean the other person dies but more times than not they are no longer breathing. But there are some cases where a person changes their mind about their actions after a hot lead injection

  8. A question for people who carry guns on them

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    First scenario, definitely would not fire.

    second scenario, it would be kinda hard to know if he was going for my gun unless he managed to get his hand on it. If someone is going for my gun, I would definitely pull the trigger on them...but over a few dollars, no way. A life is worth way more than a few dollars.

    so you gonna let someone rough up your pops while you have a gun in your hand? Dude is taking a legger MINIMUM if im at the store. Maybe not shoot his head because i wouldn't want to clean up that mess.
    Steve, I was under the impression you were talking about the michael brown case. In that situation, he was not pummeling the old man, he basically shoved him out of the way. I'm not going to shoot someone for that.

    If someone actually got into a fight with my dad...i still don't think i'd pull the trigger with him being so close to my dad. I would definitely pick up the closest blunt object/bat and definitely go at him though.

    Strong Arm Robbery. It wan't a simple shove. And it was NOT "shoplifting" like some idiots claim. I really just want to know out of curiosity how normal people would act in the same situation. So many people have double standards. They see a simple push to an old man at the store but put your own frail old pop's in the store with you and a gun on your hip. Would you pull it out and not shoot? I might not want to shoot either, depends on my anger level. But i think it would at least come out. Strong arm robbery, remember that.
    Steve, what I was referencing is what I saw on video. You may have seen video that I have not seen. What I saw was the man getting shoved by Michael Brown. I stand by what I said though, a life is worth more than a few dollars. What I'm saying, is that sitting here in a calm, non-life threatening situation, I would that I would not shoot him. No one knows what would actually happen though. To me, it didn't appear to be a situation where a gun was needed.

    And again, if someone was in hand to hand combat with my father, I wouldn't want any guns pointed in that general direction.

    If someone is beating the life out of your dad I hope you'd shoot.

    If they just shove him and walk out the door that's when you let it go and call the police.

    I'm okay with my gun, but not good enough that I'd risk that shot. I'd much rather grab the closest heavy object...or maybe the gun itself and start bashing the guy.

    With all due respect attempting to pistol whip someone is fucking dumb. You are giving them a means to take your weapon and use it against you or whomever they so choose... Not to mention if they steal it from you then you're liable for that weapon and they lives they harm/end with it .... BAD IDEA all the way around

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  9. A question for people who carry guns on them

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    Question #1

    If you and your pops own a family business (like the corner store)...... and someone 2 feet taller and 200lbs heavier than your father grabs something off the counter, grabs his shirt before tossing him violently into the shelves on his way out the door (with stolen product)....and you are packing. What are you going to do about it? Does he make it out the door? Or do you feel that is a simple "shoplift" and let it go?

    Question #2

    You are not a cop. Just a regular person sitting in traffic. You are packing. Someone walks up to your window, punches you in the face and tries to take your gun. Does he live to see another day or do you just let him have your gun?

    the only reason i am asking this is because i know most of you guys have guns capable of killing a deer from 600 yards away with bullets that can travel through 10 houses before it slows down...just to protect yourself. Super proud gun owners. Ready to fuck up anyone who tries to bring you or your family harm. How would you react to question #1 and #2?

    I'm with N8 on this. If the dude is whoopin my father's ass then I am going to stop the threat. But if he manages to get out of the store or retreat then I am going to let him go and report it because I don't want to go down for murder...

    #2 If I can escape by driving off then he better hold the fuck on.. If I have no escape route then him and my car foor will have some extra holes if that's what is necessary to stop the threat

    **Being someone who has been in more than 1 scenario where my gun was used.. 1 still living 1 taking a dirt nap... IF you can avoid deploying your weapon than do it because it's an expensive/stressful ride after the fact... If you have to use it make sure to neutralize the threat **

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