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This is super off topic, but hey, why not? He is a salesman not because of touting that only one wire should ever be bought, he is a salesman because he has influence. This influence he gained by stating other tech as inferior. AD-1 better than clamping. DD-1 better than an O-scope. This is fine, but what gets me is when it is said that these other methods are no longer even remotely correct. As if before everyone has done everything wrong in the past and if you don't do it the new way you are completely wrong and should be discredited.
Never said he did.Back to what I was saying. If you mean to educate, educate without bias. Else you are just a salesman
tony doesn't sell wire.
well you called him are accusing him of educating with "bias", and calling him a salesman......while he hasn't tried to sell you one single strand of OFC. He is teaching you the difference. You are quite the annoying one tonight huh? go rest your eyeballs, it is getting late.
"oh you clamped your amp? psh"
"you set your gains with an o-scope? Say bye bye to your speakers bro"
Those two examples I am not attributing to anyone specific, but this is the nature of a forum. The one guy with influence leans a certain way and they all follow. Why is it bad?
Economics.
Better materials = more money = less interest in purchasing products = less participation in the sport = death of car audio
Does anyone see why I argue now? Or am I just shouting at a wall here?
A tool is a tool, no pun intended. You can use a dd-1 and still set your gains wrong if you use it incorrectly.
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a difference in opinion isn't calling Tony a smart ass name. If i call you a fucktard know it all, is that just my opinion or would that chap your hide? I bet you wouldn't think that was a very nice opinion.i don't think that, but i bet for a second, while you read that, you got heated. Probably wanna call me a dickhead shitwad back.
The system was all coming out, I was (and did) going to rip everything out down to bare metal. My actual point was to prove using the CCA would show a decrease in performance and score...to my surprise it didn't.But I really wish people would stop taking it negatively if and when someone has a difference of opinion. I haven't seen anyone being disrespectful to Tony, but more and more it seems like once you disagree with someone or something you're an enemy of the state. A debate can be healthy for knowledge and users. In audio, there is a big difference between paper and application and it's good to see how these hammer out. Can't we just debate with offending people?just curious, you took out perfectly good OFC and replaced it with exact runs of CCA? Why would you do that? color change on the wire jacket? Was the OFC bad?
Hopefully not though...but you get my point. Opinion and flat out disrespect are 2 different things. Internet people don't get that. At least ones who weren't raised to respect others.You called me a fucker and I called you an asshole on the phone today while ordering my 3 meters, and there were no hard feelings, we actually laughed at it. Was actually the one and only time we ever talked on the phone. Example of 2 people not getting all ass hurt and know the difference between respect and disrespect
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Then why is he not talking about silver 1/0?? It is a much better conductor after all
Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute.Only the best for you Mr. Elitist Audio Man
the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction.
I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel.
And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong.
There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos.
Can't speak for him but I would venture to say that because OFC is readily available and in my years I have never seen a spool of 1/0 silver. I took it as he was comparing the 2 most readily available products, OFC and CCA.
I could be wrong since I am assuming here. In fact, iirc he didn't even mention OFC in the op he said that CCA is not ok. IMO, the man has more than earned his right to validate any claim he makes. I would agree that OFC>CCA but until he tells us why CCA is not ok, per his original claim, I am neutral. I think CCA is ok, just not as good as OFC but he is many many levels beyond my knowledge in all things electric.
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Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute.Only the best for you Mr. Elitist Audio Man
the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction.
I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel.
And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong.
There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos.
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Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute.Only the best for you Mr. Elitist Audio Man
the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction.
I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel.
And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong.
There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos.
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Lookin good bro!
Just ordered my gauges today. I can't wait to see if my idea works.
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Team bassick alpine on the forum also switched and had no change in his score. Maybe he'll chime in with exactly what he was using for equipment
Do you think that is because in each case, both the OFC and CCA were sufficient to allow the amps to run at full potential, meaning that whatever the weak link in each individual system was, it wasn't the wire?
Just an idea, I can't say I KNOW this to be true.
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Let's just say that you had access to two engines. One engine made 400hp and one made 500hp. The 500hp engine costs more money.
There would be no point at which one could say that the 400hp engine was superior to the 500hp engine, assuming horsepower was the only metric. However, one can rationalize why the 400hp engine is a better value but that still won't make it a 500hp engine.
How does that apply to this argument?
Because the only time CCA can compare to OFC is in a dollar for dollar performance. If money were not factored in, the OFC is better.
In your example, maybe the 500HP engine costs $10k and the 400HP engine costs $4k
Clearly, if you could only have one engine you would WANT the 500HP version, but if you could buy 800HP (2 of the 400HP engines) for 2 grand less than 500Hp, there are definitely going to be people buying 2 of the 400HP version.
I am not siding with CCA because I don't use it, I save until I can buy OFC. I am just answering your "how does that apply" question
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in the real world none of this matters, cca is perfectly ok if u use the next size up from pure copper. Class d is more efficient, so how is this not better in the use of subwoofers. a dmm can test resistance if u cut the wire, but thats not always smart
His statement was that it is cheaper, not better. That's why its used commonly for high power amplifiers because it allows manufacturers to put out a more affordable/practical product resulting in a smaller footprint, and higher profit margins for the company. If you take cost completely out of it, wouldn't you rather run your subs off of an SQ amp if you could get the same power as you get from a class D? I would. No compression of the notes when the beat is pounding continuously? Yes please. Class D is only "better" because it makes that power more affordable to more people.
Take a look at the fosgate T15k. It is one bad ass, if not THE baddest amp ever made. It is a very efficient amp, it draws about 1/5 of the current per watt of RMS power than other really good amps, and it isn't a class D amp. It's a hybrid class A/B. It can put out around 17kw drawing only about 350A from the power source. That amp certainly wasn't cheap. You could easily get 17k rms cheaper,
So in support of the initial claim, an amp doesn't perform better because it's class D, but it is made more affordable that way. You are sacrificing sound quality for affordability. "Better" can be interpreted in many ways. If you are a marketing director for a company and you sell class D amps, then hell yes it is better because it costs less to make and you make more money that way. The customer "benefits" by being able to afford power that they may not be able to afford if were a class A/B instead of a D. If that was true, all 4 channel amps would be class D also.
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if you do this test, use 1 run of OFC, then double or triple inputs for CCA, to see what is better for the cost.Hmm Amp Dyno and DC 5k= CCA vs OFC. This one will be fun. Keep an eye out for a video in the next day or 2, I have a spool of 1/0 CCA coming from Sky High.
Already planning on it. I just got the CCA in from Sky High today.
Planned tests are as follows.
DC 3.5k will be used for the testing. This amp has 1 power and 1 ground input. Each run will be 5' long.
Single 1/0 CCA
Dual 1/0 CCA
Single 1/0 OFC
Dual 1/0 OFC
Single 2/0 OFC
As interested as I am to see results, I am equally as interested in how you will ensure that the wire is the ONLY variable. I am not even close to being an expert but I can think of 2 things, one will be the power supply. Can you be certain that the available power (I am sure there is better terminology) will be EXACTLY the same for each test. The second thing is amp temperature, aren't they more efficient when they are cooler? Maybe a TM-1 hooked up to measure this?
I cant wait to see this and I think it is awesome that you are willing to do it.
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Really like the work done here. My two,cents about the plexi would be to go with ALOT less, or no tint at all. That's just personal preference for me, but I would like to floss the SMD emblem on those things and you can't really see it in the pics. Nice ork though man!
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Combo pack with 2 OM-1's and a VM-1?
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Yup mine was signed too.
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Thanks Chode I appreciate it
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right on man, thanks!
Looks damn good. Better than damn good.
2" i think. I didn't measure it but i believe it is 2". And yes, i had it shot next doorWhat size PVC pipe was that?My truck has 3 round openings all in a row like that for the AC controls and I was thinking about moving them to put in some SMD meters.And that finish is super clean. Looks like it was done in a body shop. Did you have it sprayed next door?
Holy Shit Meade has liked one of my posts and responded.
I am geeking just a bit right now!
Sorry, laugh if you want to but I'm entitled to feeling star struck if I want.
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2" i think. I didn't measure it but i believe it is 2". And yes, i had it shot next doorWhat size PVC pipe was that?
My truck has 3 round openings all in a row like that for the AC controls and I was thinking about moving them to put in some SMD meters.
And that finish is super clean. Looks like it was done in a body shop. Did you have it sprayed next door?
Looks damn good. Better than damn good.
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What size PVC pipe was that?
My truck has 3 round openings all in a row like that for the AC controls and I was thinking about moving them to put in some SMD meters.
And that finish is super clean. Looks like it was done in a body shop. Did you have it sprayed next door?
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Looks like vinyl, and I think he said in here somewhere but good luck finding it. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Steve I do have my own question for you though. What made you go with the S series batteries for the rear over the D series? Is there any difference in them, other that sticker color? Thanks!
Can't speak for the man but if I had to guess he used those because they're lighter
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And Nathan delivered as promised!!
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Left message on Nathan's voicemail.
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Call me and let me know who that was and I promise you will get the deal of a life time!!! 888.497.7693 x1211
And just for the record. We introduced the D6500 3 years ago. In this time we have received 4 d6500 that had a manufactures defect. Overall our return on defects is less than .05% on batteries. This is why we can offer warranties that other companies can't.
Will do. I was reluctant to believe what that guy was saying, and was hoping you would chime in.
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Hs anyone made reference to this yet?
http://www.4xspower.com/downloadables/xspower_flyer-left.jpg
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Hopefully not though...but you get my point. Opinion and flat out disrespect are 2 different things. Internet people don't get that. At least ones who weren't raised to respect others..gif){kind=small}
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The price difference between CCA and OFC is less than that between copper and silver. That probably has something to do with that argument.