Cash for clunkers

[SlappinM30]

He is talking about independent shops not dealerships or even folks like me that look in junk yards for parts.

Just a question: How many of you drive cars older than 5 years old?

[Airborne]

And since you are sooooooo adamant about the fact that "ONLY the Pres. and Vic Pres. get their own plane. PERIOD what is this? Yes I know it isn't the plan in question, but you said "they are the only ones that get their own plane". Your words not mine. This looks like a private plan if you ask me. LOL it is even on the same forum LOL.

http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/ind...showtopic=53086

There are several hundred executive aircraft available to the higher levels of our military and government. You are trying to argue with a man who has booked such flights. There are "wings, flight detachments etc" dedicated to the movement of military executives ane ther are TWO people who will never be denied a flight on "their" aircraft. Vice, and MR President. Hate to shut you down, but that is the fucking truth.

[SlappinM30]

Believe me you did shut me down, because you still have not shown proof. All I can say is there is tons of proof of my side (main stream media and non main stream). Quite honestly you are one person do you really think you see all the flights that are taken, or know everything that the GOV does. Seriously I don't know how long you have been in the Military but I highly doubt you are high enough in the ranks to see and know everything.

Edit: I am not saying that you are lieing just don't have all the info, nor do I believe that I do.

[Airborne]

Believe me you did shut me down, because you still have not shown proof. All I can say is there is tons of proof of my side (main stream media and non main stream). Quite honestly you are one person do you really think you see all the flights that are taken, or know everything that the GOV does. Seriously I don't know how long you have been in the Military but I highly doubt you are high enough in the ranks to see and know everything.

Edit: I am not saying that you are lieing just don't have all the info, nor do I believe that I do.

Well, I guess you got me, SMS (yeah, I know, as far as you are concerned only Republicans have access to facts) only tells me everything I need to know about a DOD aircraft and it's cargo. Forgive me for doing this for a VERY long time. Where I work we like to know EVERYTHING about the w's.

Prove me wrong Mr super smart man. I can prove as low as your legal ability can let me. Above that, treat it like a Bible. Believe the guy who pretends to know more.

[SlappinM30]

So you think that making personal shots at me makes you look right, LOL. Not really because still you haven't shown any proof. How about this have you ever planned a flight for MADAME PELOSI? I bet not so how can you really say that you have all the info. You just do as your Shepard tells you.

Edit: Do you think that I am a republican? If you do you are WWWAAAAAYY OOOFFF.

[Airborne]

So you think that making personal shots at me makes you look right, LOL. Not really because still you haven't shown any proof. How about this have you ever planned a flight for MADAME PELOSI? I bet not so how can you really say that you have all the info. You just do as your Shepard tells you.

Edit: Do you think that I am a republican? If you do you are WWWAAAAAYY OOOFFF.

I have worked for three "shepherds" . And never has the use of the airplanes been an issue. It is just one more reason to try and fire up the right wing base and it sounds like 3 or 4 of you bought it.

Please, sign on to an issue that will actually affect you life and I will do everything to stop it from hurting you and your family. That is what I do. Until then, stop regurgitating the mess some lying and deceptive people want you to be pissed off about.

[SlappinM30]

You know the reason that I am mad, it is because our country is FAILING! It seems to be a consensus that our country can make very little (goods to sell within our country and overseas). All the while spending money by the TRILLIONS. I just don't get it, it is like working a minimum wadge job and insisting on owning a Bentley. Cuts need to be made to everyone's over spending, including the Gov.

Edit: I am not mad because someone told me to be I am mad because I can see that the current road we are on will take us no were good. Yet again not just my opinion it is written in the history books. O yea and I am very much not a RIGHT WINGER, just thought I would add that.

[white4d96]

BACK ON TOPIC:

I read an article somewhere concerning CARS (the official name for CFC) and the editor made a good point that went something like this:

When a car is produced, the factory emits certain pollutants, at a larger scale than when the car is running. However, let's say an individual buys a car and drives it for ten years. That emission can be seen as being spread out over ten years. Now, if said individual junks this car via CFC, depending on the age of the vehicle, this emission may not be spread out as much. As the editor put it, it may not have been around enough to forgive that emission, so to speak.

Not to mention, when a vehicle is scrapped, all the equipment used to destroy it pollutes, at least some of the fluids leak out and pollute, and the non-salvageable parts are dealt with in a way that pollutes. So even more pollution is coming from this act.

At a local pull-a-part, one of the workers said they used to see maybe 25-30 cars come in daily, but now they see close to 150 that they can't touch. Someone brought in a Harley-Davidson Edition F-150, and the only parts they could get from them were the wheels.

It angers me too that the mileage goes by when the vehicle was new. If it went by actual mileage my car would qualify, but the EPA claimed 26mpg for my car. Grr lol.

Obviously I don't like CFC. I understand that it is trying to help the economy, but I don't want to see MY MONEY paying for some jagoff's new whatevermobile. Not to mention hybrid cars, over time, are some of the worst vehicles you could use when the environment is concerned. But I will stay on topic and not mention their vices here.

/\Just my opinions (except the article I mentioned.) I do not mean to bash anyone.

[SlappinM30]

Yes back on topic (sorry I got side tracked), there again are what I believe valid points as to the craziness of this of this idea and it's good for the environment.

[Colin - STAPUFT]

Dave Ramsey's views on cash for clunkers. It can't be said a whole lot better than this.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/8157520/daves...532350ca0a76df1

and this:

Show your proof. I am the sheep you are the one working for the most corrupt military ever, why do you do it? LOL

is a valid question.