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Yep, within a small percentage depending on how much the case we are tooling for them actually costs.

* SAE-800D, SAE-50.4, SAE-1200D * SAE-800D, SAE-50.4, SAE-1200D, SAX-1200D * SAE-1200D * SAE-50.4 * SAE-800D * 800D / 1200D * SAE-50.4 ----- The 800D did well and exceeding ratings but wasn't really THAT much stronger than the 500D -- so I likely will not end up making it. The 500D will be named 600D based on the testing results from it (over 700 after impedance rise). The SAE-1200D did very well, though, and is pretty much on par with the SAX-1200D in terms of power but not quite as small in size. So far what I have pricing worked out is like this : SAE-600D -- $200 MAP SAE-1200D -- $285 MAP SAE-50.4 -- $155 MAP Pricing from an authorized dealer. Testing on the amps so far : SAE-500D: 740 watts @ 2.16 ohms after rise (1.0) 860 watts @ 1.54 ohms after rise (0.5) SAE-800D: 810 watts @ 2.23 ohms after rise (1.0) 990 watts @ 1.60 ohms after rise (0.5) SAE-1200D: 1200 watts @ 2.51 ohms after rise (1.0) 1540 watts @ 1.68 ohms after rise (0.5) No testing on the 50.4 unit yet. --- These are NOT production cases -- just have not tooled ours yet. I do NOT have the ETA yet -- just sharing early data

The video... super boring but here as a reference to the data.

I will upload the video soon... will take a while as it's 9+ minutes long but the results really speak for themselves. We compared against a very well respected 2.5" coil driver rated for 600-watts RMS -- many people do run much more than that to this particular driver. The comparison was done simply to give a reference point. I was wondering if it was just me or if I wasn't even tickling this driver thermally with 800+ watts on tap in my car (SAX-200.4 two channels bridged at 2 ohms)... so the question is now answered -- I really wasn't even close to the thermal limits as this 60 Hz test is brutal with very little excursion. On music where the sub is moving 4-5x more the cooling is enhanced by more air movement. So that answered the question about whether my little spacer ring is or is not doing what I wanted it to do :thumbsup: So what this tells me is that I'll probably bump up my official rating to 500 RMS on the SA-8 v.2 -- and that the limit is really purely mechanical on them. I CAN get it to full x-mech on the 200.4 in my car at very low frequencies under box tuning.

They can be ordered here : http://www.woofersetc.com/c-15-midrange-speakers.aspx?manufacturerid=134&FromMenu=true

I am starting production this week... which would put them in last February to early March for arrival.

The box requirements are equal to the old -- the box I'm using right now is 0.77 before all displacement so really close to 0.6 after it's all said and done and works GREAT. I would have made it smaller but don't think my PR would have fit on the side

I'll have to take a quick measure of the depth at work tomorrow. Don't have all my info at home on this PC.

It will start before end of December I believe -- I am very close to done tweaking the spider and coil. I have three varieties of each I'm testing and I just need to make the final call on what will go production.

First Klippel graph is in from Red Rock. This sample is offset a bit but thanks to this data we'll make sure they are properly centered on production Suspension turned out quite flat, linear x-max beat FEA prediction, and Le graph is very good as well. I am still tweaking the absolute CMS value as well as coil length to determine the final production spec... but it's very close!

Yep... plus import cost pretty much goes by volume -- as does packaging cost (foam, cardboard, etc) -- goes up ALOT from 12s to 15s.

Subs plays great this morning -- now to build the mate and get them to the customer soon

This one is specifically for a customer that ordered two tens from me -- I got a bit involved in the project trying to meet his goals. So if all goes well this is what we'll do on all the other NS 10s

* NS v.2 Coil + Triple Joint Ring * Extra large terminals in place * Epoxy on top We'll test it out tomorrow to see if all goes well. I am expecting so but still have a few more ideas if it's still not quite up to what I want from it

Assuming they all work out this time around I'll get some videos and whatnot rolling... I am building one to make sure the parts all work together well before doing the second one. It's proving a challenge to make a 10" that fits what the customer really wants.

Spider spacer is in : * The top ledge was designed to hold a bead of epoxy around the spider to keep it secured under high power.

Some videos up finally :

Uploading a few videos... so far on music in the 132-133 dB range on the dash and in the kick panel sealed and window / door open (all about the same) peaking at 40 or so Hz on the song I was using. Will do some more testing tuning the PR down as well in the near future. To me it sounds more like a higher SPL due to how well it handles material down into the 30s and I'm more than happy with it for all of my daily listening. I will definitely recommend these PRs officially for the SA-8s from now on.

I don't like making them as 10s either but some folks want / need them for certain SPL classes.

I got a first look @ the spider spacer... shop had to make some adjustments but should be able to get cracking on these again tomorrow or Wednesday.

Okay - I am going to start production next week... and the 6.5" will be in 8 ohm OR 4 ohm configuration (which will eventually show up on 8s and 10s).

I am looking at possibly offering 4 ohm and 8 ohm on these... maybe bringing 4 ohm out later on the 8s and 10s as well.

Part of the trade for the added mid-bass was a bit less sensitivity on them -- but I figure with the amount of power / quantity of these people run it'll come out in the wash I may do a dedicated midrange later, but for the NeoPro I focused on in-door mid-bass.

Working on an ETA Steve

How much interest is there in these 6.5" ? I am working on getting pricing and details together... if we can pre-sell a good bit of them I may do them sooner than later before Neo gets any crazier.