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LoL - probably not!

Prototype is here Motor force measure 40% higher than E8 (more SPL)... Qts came out lower than I was anticipating so it would not be as good of a sealed driver as the E8. X8 F3 Sealed = 66 Hz E8 F3 Sealed = 51 Hz Testing will be forth coming... most to come once I get home from vacation.

FTW

Thanks Going to try!

I will be leaving on the 25th and coming back on the 30th. I will answer some e-mails while I am gone -- but most likely not all of them, it is supposed to be a vacation after all. Brandon will be at the shop Monday - Wednesday while I am not so he will handle as much as possible without me being here.

Indeed - CA can work quite well in many cases - but I have found it doesn't hold very well when sticking the poly cap to the poly stiffening disc, though. Also - the epoxy looks very smooth and nice around the cap where CA glue tends to get rough and bubbly around there

A-Stock looks nicer cosmetically.

Good price on the 1500D!

UP - be sure to check out the incredible savings on the SAZ-3000D Refurbished amps

$160 Sony Xplod from Best Buy -- lowest one with a USB plug. Works great for me No signal processors or line drivers.

I've done various testing on the 1500s, 3000s, 3500s, and 4500s on 16v if you look around. Since I no longer have a 16v system in the Jeep it won't be possible for me to do a test just like this one, though. The 1000 and 1200 won't like 16v much.

The 4500D prototypes are installed in Brandon's vehicle at the moment.

... because I blew the fuses I didn't want to keep testing at that level

Seems people have ALOT of problems putting caps on their re-cones so this is how it is done : Buy two of these containers of Loctite FIVE MINUTE epoxy w/ mixing tubes at Lowes (DO NOT USE ONE MINUTE): ---------- First Step : http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/how-to/Ni...ap/CIMG2514.MOV Put epoxy around the edges of the disc as shown - make sure to get a good bit in the little holes so it is filled in. ---------- Second Step: Wait about 5 minutes for the first step to dry. http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/how-to/Ni...ap/CIMG2515.MOV CAREFULLY make a bead around the dust cap to fill in the gap area. You will see Brandon traces back a bit at the end - this is because the epoxy keeps dripping out a bit and we don't want it on the cone. Don't put too much or it will run over onto the cap!

dB-r Electronics Sundown Audio Refurbished Sale! http://www.db-r.com/sell/store/ Lots going on in this sale: SAE-1200D Clearance 57% Off SAZ-3000D 25% off Sale! 10% Off all other Refurbished Sundown Audio Amplifiers SALE DETAILS: Clearance: SAE-1200D Refurbished $125.00 - 30 day Warranty, Various cosmetic conditions, some with box, some without, some with remote, some without, first come first serve! 25% Off all Refurbished SAZ-3000D's 1 Year Warranty SAZ-3000D New Style Heatsink A-Stock - $566.25 SAZ-3000D New Style Heatsink B-Stock - $555.00 SAZ-3000D Old Style Heatsink A-Stock - $555.00 SAZ-3000D Old Style Heatsink B-Stock - $525.00 10% Off all Other Refurbished Sundown Audio Amplifiers 1 Year Warranty SAX-100.2 A-Stock - $179.10 SAX-125.2 A-Stock - $189.00 SAX-100.4C A-Stock - $288.00 SAX-100.4D A-Stock - $292.50 SAX-100.4D B-Stock - $265.50 SAE-1000D - $247.50 SAZ-1500D New Style Heatsink B-Stock - $341.10 SAZ-3500D A-Stock - $742.50 http://www.db-r.com/sell/store/ ----- I was a little late posting this... all of the SAE-1200Ds sold out last night in like an hour.

We need to get Steve into XS Power batteries Been working on him for a while! Shoot me an e-mail at [email protected] Scottie.

2x Sundown Nightshade 18s 2x Sundown SAZ-3500Ds Only four 16v batteries Steve is officially louder than my best score Looks like I need to do some work!

Yep :

Of course they'll get logos

Thanks and no problem So far that box had done a 154.7 for me with the SA-12s... with just two 1500Ds it'll do 153.0 @ 47 Hz!

Sticky posted over here Steve

I am going to go through and drop the SAZ-1000D, SAE-1200D, SAZ-1500D, SAZ-2000D, SAZ-3000D, and SAZ-3500D in the Jeep and do a power clamp test so we have a rough and UNIFORM comparison between the amps in the same setup. Test Frequency - 50 Hz Test Load - 4x SA-12s all in parallel for 0.4375 DCR (1/2 nominal) Test Electrical - 6x Stinger SPV-70 + 225-Amp Alternator (vehicle only at idle) Amp gain set to 1/2 - Head Unit Sub Control 10/10 - Head Unit Volume 50/50 Setting gain to half on each amp is, of course, not an exact match... but for the sake of roughly comparing the amps I think it serves the purpose. --------------- SAZ-1000D: POWER : 1040 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 37.2 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 27.95 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.33 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 13.15 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2498.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2499.MOV * Voltage Measurement --------------- SAE-1200D: POWER : 1770 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : DID NOT MEASURE AMP CURRENT (calculated) : DID NOT MEASURE ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : DID NOT MEASURE SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 12.65 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2513.MOV * Power Clamp DID NOT MEASURE * Voltage Measurement ** FUSES BLEW - DID NOT CONTINUE TO MEASURE VOLTAGE --------------- SAZ-1500D: POWER : 1970 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 49.25 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 40 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.23 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 12.85 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2493.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2494.MOV * Voltage Measurement --------------- SAZ-2000D: POWER : 2440 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 56.18 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 43.43 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.29 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 12.5 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2503.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2504.MOV * Voltage Measurement --------------- SAZ-3000D: POWER : 3280 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 61.28 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 53.52 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.14 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 12.1 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2506.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2507.MOV * Voltage Measurement --------------- SAZ-3500D: POWER : 3660 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 65.84 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 55.58 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.18 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 11.9 V http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2510.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2511.MOV * Voltage Measurement --------------- SAZ-4500D: * SAZ-4500D in prototype case POWER : 4870 Watts AMP VOLTAGE (measured) : 76.0 V AMP CURRENT (calculated) : 64.08 A ACTUAL IMPEDANCE (calculated) : 1.18 ohms SUPPLY VOLTAGE : 12.25 V *** http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2529.MOV * Power Clamp http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/_AMP_POWE...0D/CIMG2530.MOV * Voltage Measurement *** - Measured different day from other amps (8-4-09), batteries had full charge so sustained less voltage drop. --------------- These are not necessarily definitive tests on the amps. All applications are different and I could have probably squeezed more out of an amp here or there... but for the sake of this test I just set the gain knobs to physically 1/2 way up. Just a rough guide to show what the amps can do! I may go back one day and do an SPL comparison as well -- as we have seen up to 1 dB increase from the 3000D to the 3500D even though the power test doesn't seem to indicate as much. With the SPL portion I would sit down and tweak knobs until I got maximum SPL per amp. I tested amps from smallest to largest (for the most part except 1200D was tested last) -- so the batteries did not have a complete full charge by the time I got to the big amps, just a few minutes of alternator charge time... that just means the bigger amps will produce more than posted if I had a complete charge. This was mentioned in my initial post so I thought I would post it here as well.

I hear ya! I think I am done for now on testing... so I can go ahead and make the sticky and you can see it over here