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The system was all coming out, I was (and did) going to rip everything out down to bare metal. My actual point was to prove using the CCA would show a decrease in performance and score...to my surprise it didn't.But I really wish people would stop taking it negatively if and when someone has a difference of opinion. I haven't seen anyone being disrespectful to Tony, but more and more it seems like once you disagree with someone or something you're an enemy of the state. A debate can be healthy for knowledge and users. In audio, there is a big difference between paper and application and it's good to see how these hammer out. Can't we just debate with offending people?a difference in opinion isn't calling Tony a smart ass name. If i call you a fucktard know it all, is that just my opinion or would that chap your hide? I bet you wouldn't think that was a very nice opinion.i don't think that, but i bet for a second, while you read that, you got heated. Probably wanna call me a dickhead shitwad back. Hopefully not though...but you get my point. Opinion and flat out disrespect are 2 different things. Internet people don't get that. At least ones who weren't raised to respect others. You called me a fucker and I called you an asshole on the phone today while ordering my 3 meters, and there were no hard feelings, we actually laughed at it. Was actually the one and only time we ever talked on the phone. Example of 2 people not getting all ass hurt and know the difference between respect and disrespect

the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction. Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute. I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel. And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong. There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos. Then why is he not talking about silver 1/0?? It is a much better conductor after all Can't speak for him but I would venture to say that because OFC is readily available and in my years I have never seen a spool of 1/0 silver. I took it as he was comparing the 2 most readily available products, OFC and CCA. I could be wrong since I am assuming here. In fact, iirc he didn't even mention OFC in the op he said that CCA is not ok. IMO, the man has more than earned his right to validate any claim he makes. I would agree that OFC>CCA but until he tells us why CCA is not ok, per his original claim, I am neutral. I think CCA is ok, just not as good as OFC but he is many many levels beyond my knowledge in all things electric.

the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction. Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute. I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel. And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong. There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos.

the man is teaching you the difference. You need to have your pencil and note pad out. I also think you should show some respect. He hasn't posted any smart ass comments your direction. Not in exactly my direction no. More of a blanket statement involving everyone who runs CCA, uses the term "box rise," or uses a class D amp and calls it "better." Here is the thing, I am all for knowing the science and math, but I am also wise enough to know that in practice the gains or losses are minute. I hate to sit here and watch people hear everything said by him and take it as gospel. And don't get it wrong, I respect Tony, but I won't have people thinking that there is only one way to do something and that if they aren't doing it that way they are wrong. There's always more than one way to do something. Some better than others. Often with any product there are good better and best versions. The man is teaching the ideal way, or best way of doing things. His ways aren't the only way, but why would you show someone how to do something in an inferior way? I feel like I learn something every time I watch one of his videos.

Lookin good bro! Just ordered my gauges today. I can't wait to see if my idea works.

Do you think that is because in each case, both the OFC and CCA were sufficient to allow the amps to run at full potential, meaning that whatever the weak link in each individual system was, it wasn't the wire? Just an idea, I can't say I KNOW this to be true.

Because the only time CCA can compare to OFC is in a dollar for dollar performance. If money were not factored in, the OFC is better. In your example, maybe the 500HP engine costs $10k and the 400HP engine costs $4k Clearly, if you could only have one engine you would WANT the 500HP version, but if you could buy 800HP (2 of the 400HP engines) for 2 grand less than 500Hp, there are definitely going to be people buying 2 of the 400HP version. I am not siding with CCA because I don't use it, I save until I can buy OFC. I am just answering your "how does that apply" question

His statement was that it is cheaper, not better. That's why its used commonly for high power amplifiers because it allows manufacturers to put out a more affordable/practical product resulting in a smaller footprint, and higher profit margins for the company. If you take cost completely out of it, wouldn't you rather run your subs off of an SQ amp if you could get the same power as you get from a class D? I would. No compression of the notes when the beat is pounding continuously? Yes please. Class D is only "better" because it makes that power more affordable to more people. Take a look at the fosgate T15k. It is one bad ass, if not THE baddest amp ever made. It is a very efficient amp, it draws about 1/5 of the current per watt of RMS power than other really good amps, and it isn't a class D amp. It's a hybrid class A/B. It can put out around 17kw drawing only about 350A from the power source. That amp certainly wasn't cheap. You could easily get 17k rms cheaper, So in support of the initial claim, an amp doesn't perform better because it's class D, but it is made more affordable that way. You are sacrificing sound quality for affordability. "Better" can be interpreted in many ways. If you are a marketing director for a company and you sell class D amps, then hell yes it is better because it costs less to make and you make more money that way. The customer "benefits" by being able to afford power that they may not be able to afford if were a class A/B instead of a D. If that was true, all 4 channel amps would be class D also.

if you do this test, use 1 run of OFC, then double or triple inputs for CCA, to see what is better for the cost. Already planning on it. I just got the CCA in from Sky High today. Planned tests are as follows. DC 3.5k will be used for the testing. This amp has 1 power and 1 ground input. Each run will be 5' long. Single 1/0 CCA Dual 1/0 CCA Single 1/0 OFC Dual 1/0 OFC Single 2/0 OFC As interested as I am to see results, I am equally as interested in how you will ensure that the wire is the ONLY variable. I am not even close to being an expert but I can think of 2 things, one will be the power supply. Can you be certain that the available power (I am sure there is better terminology) will be EXACTLY the same for each test. The second thing is amp temperature, aren't they more efficient when they are cooler? Maybe a TM-1 hooked up to measure this? I cant wait to see this and I think it is awesome that you are willing to do it.

Really like the work done here. My two,cents about the plexi would be to go with ALOT less, or no tint at all. That's just personal preference for me, but I would like to floss the SMD emblem on those things and you can't really see it in the pics. Nice ork though man!

Combo pack with 2 OM-1's and a VM-1?

Bump. I want one.

Yup mine was signed too.

Thanks Chode I appreciate it

2" i think. I didn't measure it but i believe it is 2". And yes, i had it shot next door Looks damn good. Better than damn good.right on man, thanks! Holy Shit Meade has liked one of my posts and responded. I am geeking just a bit right now! Sorry, laugh if you want to but I'm entitled to feeling star struck if I want.

2" i think. I didn't measure it but i believe it is 2". And yes, i had it shot next door Looks damn good. Better than damn good.

What size PVC pipe was that? My truck has 3 round openings all in a row like that for the AC controls and I was thinking about moving them to put in some SMD meters. And that finish is super clean. Looks like it was done in a body shop. Did you have it sprayed next door?

Can't speak for the man but if I had to guess he used those because they're lighter

And Nathan delivered as promised!!

Left message on Nathan's voicemail.

Will do. I was reluctant to believe what that guy was saying, and was hoping you would chime in.

Hs anyone made reference to this yet? http://www.4xspower.com/downloadables/xspower_flyer-left.jpg