Hotdog Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Like the title said.. I have 2 P2 12's in a custom box I built and it was tuned to 33hz. I use the RE Box designer to get the dimensions I needed and it did a lot better then the Rockford Box that the P2 12's came in. So I find this great deal on some Punch Power pro 10's.. they came in two separate boxes that dident even give them 1 cubic foot so I figured I would make another board to fit the top of the box I just made and make that board for 2 10's. I was giving the 10's about 2.2 Cubic Foot a piece in my box . I will be dammed those 10" subs sounded better then the 2 P2 12's at the same wattage.. 2 Punch Power 10's > 2 P2 12's so I guess I will keep the 10's in there for now because when I get my T10001bd amp the 10's will be able to take the power...the p2 12's cant. Quote (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdog Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 My friend that use to compete in shows thought that I might be doing 130db with the 10's right now. and that is with a P6002 amp on them giving each sub 300 RMS... now how much of an improvement will I see when I am putting 500 possibly 550 RMS to each sub? Quote (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowroll Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 My friend that use to compete in shows thought that I might be doing 130db with the 10's right now. and that is with a P6002 amp on them giving each sub 300 RMS... now how much of an improvement will I see when I am putting 500 possibly 550 RMS to each sub? You probably are. I did a 133.1 with 2 P2 10's in a sealed box, built a ported one and did a 136.8 & used a 450 watt amp for both, only actually had 225 watts though. So your friend could very well be correct. Quote Current System: Pioneer 6900 HU Front Stage: (for now) Soundstream tarantula 5.25 in the doors Soundstream tarantula 4x6 in the dash Kenwood 400.4 for mids & highs Bass: 4 Soundstream RW-12's 2 Power Acoustik Stax 4000/1D's single chamber box, 2.65 cubes. Currently under the knife being bagged Rebuilding err'thang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdog Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 You probably are. I did a 133.1 with 2 P2 10's in a sealed box, built a ported one and did a 136.8 & used a 450 watt amp for both, only actually had 225 watts though. So your friend could very well be correct. Do you remember what your ported box dimensions were? I thought that my ported box for 2 twelves would have been too big for the 10's but they sound very good in that box. Like I said I went from 2 12in P2 12's to 2 10" Punch Power series 10's My box size after displacement for the twelves was 2.1cf So I figured I would be giving the 10's Probably 2.2cf - 2.3cf tops. I cant find any info on the 10" Subs since they don't make them anymore Quote (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowroll Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yeah I have all my dimensions written down, however, the box was in a standard cab S-10 so the box was oddly shaped. but i have the internal volume before and after displacement as well as the port size and freq. External dimensions: 23.75" tall 52" wide 3 5/8" deep @ top 9" deep @ bottom used .5 mdf with a single partition. 1.72 cubes per chamber before displacement. 1.54 cubes after post & sub displacement. Ports: 1.2" height X 10" wide X 7.88" long tuned @ 41 Hz Quote Current System: Pioneer 6900 HU Front Stage: (for now) Soundstream tarantula 5.25 in the doors Soundstream tarantula 4x6 in the dash Kenwood 400.4 for mids & highs Bass: 4 Soundstream RW-12's 2 Power Acoustik Stax 4000/1D's single chamber box, 2.65 cubes. Currently under the knife being bagged Rebuilding err'thang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowroll Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Here is a picture & if it is of any helf I have the boox on my subs which includes yours so i have all the specs o the P2 series. Quote Current System: Pioneer 6900 HU Front Stage: (for now) Soundstream tarantula 5.25 in the doors Soundstream tarantula 4x6 in the dash Kenwood 400.4 for mids & highs Bass: 4 Soundstream RW-12's 2 Power Acoustik Stax 4000/1D's single chamber box, 2.65 cubes. Currently under the knife being bagged Rebuilding err'thang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowroll Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Here is a picture & if it is of any helf I have the boox on my subs which includes yours so i have all the specs on the P2 series. Quote Current System: Pioneer 6900 HU Front Stage: (for now) Soundstream tarantula 5.25 in the doors Soundstream tarantula 4x6 in the dash Kenwood 400.4 for mids & highs Bass: 4 Soundstream RW-12's 2 Power Acoustik Stax 4000/1D's single chamber box, 2.65 cubes. Currently under the knife being bagged Rebuilding err'thang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdog Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Yeah I have all my dimensions written down, however, the box was in a standard cab S-10 so the box was oddly shaped. but i have the internal volume before and after displacement as well as the port size and freq.External dimensions: 23.75" tall 52" wide 3 5/8" deep @ top 9" deep @ bottom used .5 mdf with a single partition. 1.72 cubes per chamber before displacement. 1.54 cubes after post & sub displacement. Ports: 1.2" height X 10" wide X 7.88" long tuned @ 41 Hz So do you think I could get more out of these Subs if I rebuild a box for 1.75 cubes after displacement? Do you think 2.2 Cubes is to much for 10's? I think this is it in BassBox pro Company: Rockford Fosgate Corp. Model: RFP4210 Available = Yes Last update: 13-May-2003 Type: Standard one-way driver Comment: Punch HE2 series Shape: Round Piston Type: Cone Piston: Polypropylene cone. Suspension: BART foam surround. Voice Coil: 2.5 inch voice coil. Aluminum former. Magnet: 77.4 oz magnet. Rubber boot. Fs = 27 Hz Qms = 5.59 Vas = 1.201 cu.ft Cms = 0.0373 in/lb Mms = 5.778 oz Rms = 10.91 lb/s Xmax = 0.512 in Xmax (parallel) = 0.512 in Xmax (series) = 0.512 in Sd = 51.15 sq.in Qes = 1.02 Qes (parallel) = 0.51 Qes (series) = 0.51 Re = 3.225 ohms Re (parallel) = 1.613 ohms Re (series) = 6.45 ohms Le = 2.5 mH Le (parallel) = 1.25 mH Le (series) = 5 mH Z = 4 ohms Z (parallel) = 2 ohms Z (series) = 8 ohms BL = 2.097 lb/A BL (parallel) = 2.097 lb/A BL (series) = 4.195 lb/A Pe = 200 watts Pe (parallel) = 400 watts Pe (series) = 400 watts Qts = 0.86 Qts (parallel) = 0.47 Qts (series) = 0.47 1-W SPL = 80 dB 1-W SPL (parallel) = 83 1-W SPL (series) = 83 Acoustic data: Not present Edited June 30, 2009 by Hotdog Quote (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowroll Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Double post noob stuff RF says you need, (internal dimensions of course) 10" .59 cubes sealed, 1.40 cubes ported @ 40.1 Hz 12" 1.02 cubes sealed, 1.79 ported @ 39.5 Hz I think That in the right enclosure ported or sealed, yes you could probably get more out of them. I liked the sound of the ported enclosure more, not to mention it was louder. Quote Current System: Pioneer 6900 HU Front Stage: (for now) Soundstream tarantula 5.25 in the doors Soundstream tarantula 4x6 in the dash Kenwood 400.4 for mids & highs Bass: 4 Soundstream RW-12's 2 Power Acoustik Stax 4000/1D's single chamber box, 2.65 cubes. Currently under the knife being bagged Rebuilding err'thang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdog Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 My 12's were P2's The 10's are Punch Power DVC Does the same volume apply to these? Quote (NEW) 2004 F-150 Build Log -->http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/192208-hotdogs-f-150-build-log/ 2003 Mercury Mountaineer Build Log --> http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/board/topic/114380-hotdogs-2003-mountaineer-build-log-20-removed/page__gopid__1602379#entry1602379 2008 Equinox Build Log --> http://www.stevemead...g/#entry1475764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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