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My box is about 11 cubic feet after displacement... im running 2 fully loaded 18" BTL'z on a ARC 4000SE & i just picked up 2 M4 DD amps so i am going to run one on each sub... so should i make a smaller box for the subs... eventually the BTL'z will be replaced with SMD'z... need some advice guys any input would help

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so you're stepping down or up in power?

assuming up.. what effect would that have on your box needing to be smaller? that would raise the tuning frequency ... assuming you keep the port length the same.

and the SMD woofers are huge.. so they naturally make your box a little smaller.. less air volume...

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so you're stepping down or up in power?

assuming up.. what effect would that have on your box needing to be smaller? that would raise the tuning frequency ... assuming you keep the port length the same.

and the SMD woofers are huge.. so they naturally make your box a little smaller.. less air volume...

More power...& i heard that if you throw a lot of power to the subs a smaller box would help handle the extra power better.... the tuning will be the same.. the port will have to be done over aswell

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amp running 8tit & alum tweets, Mosconi Audio 200.2
8 12" Ascendant Audio Chaos. amps 2 Digital Designs M4'z
box is a 4th order band pass
batts. 1 XS Power D3400 under hood,6 D3100 in back
2 XP 370 amp DC Power alts.
MLA module 15+volts
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More power...& i heard that if you throw a lot of power to the subs a smaller box would help handle the extra power better.... the tuning will be the same.. the port will have to be done over aswell

smaller box usually provide more cone control to handle more power and usually have more impedance rise making it less efficient...atleast what i read.

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smaller box usually provide more cone control to handle more power and usually have more impedance rise making it less efficient...atleast what i read.

I didnt know it causes more impedance rise

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Front stage is active, 4 Morel Elate 6.5" & 8 CDT DRT26 tweets
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amp running 8tit & alum tweets, Mosconi Audio 200.2
8 12" Ascendant Audio Chaos. amps 2 Digital Designs M4'z
box is a 4th order band pass
batts. 1 XS Power D3400 under hood,6 D3100 in back
2 XP 370 amp DC Power alts.
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impedence rise is from the voice coil heating up as well... it occurs over time...

and i thought a bigger box has more power handling because the woofer needs to move more air out of the port. same reason bigger box with same port length as a smaller box is tuned higher

idk.. someone will post on this thread and they will know for sure

just wait.. they'll quote me and be like, "this is wrong"

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impedence rise is from the voice coil heating up as well... it occurs over time...

and i thought a bigger box has more power handling because the woofer needs to move more air out of the port. same reason bigger box with same port length as a smaller box is tuned higher

idk.. someone will post on this thread and they will know for sure

just wait.. they'll quote me and be like, "this is wrong"

Im looking for someone who knows about this

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amp running 8tit & alum tweets, Mosconi Audio 200.2
8 12" Ascendant Audio Chaos. amps 2 Digital Designs M4'z
box is a 4th order band pass
batts. 1 XS Power D3400 under hood,6 D3100 in back
2 XP 370 amp DC Power alts.
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impedence rise is from the voice coil heating up as well... it occurs over time...

and i thought a bigger box has more power handling because the woofer needs to move more air out of the port. same reason bigger box with same port length as a smaller box is tuned higher

idk.. someone will post on this thread and they will know for sure

just wait.. they'll quote me and be like, "this is wrong"

"this is wrong"

:lol::P

I just had to. Also... it's wrong.

Impedance rise is mostly due to the inductance of the coil. As it moves through the magnetic field of the motor it generates a field opposing the movement which causes impedance to rise.

The coils getting hot is part of power compression.

A smaller box has higher mechanical power handling because the air behind the sub is less compliant (i.e. there's less space to compress it in) so there is more cone control. Controlling excursion is probably more important than keeping down the heat in the coils.

Last of all, a bigger box with the same length port as a smaller one is tuned lower.

Sigh...

Part of me is like, ok, good try, at least you admitted you didn't really know this stuff. The other half of me is like, why bother posting something that is completely wrong. Maybe I need to start answering more questions I don't actually know the answer to and adding "p.s. this may not be correct" to the bottom.

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