Anyone notice how cheap unlabeled sealed lead acid batts are?

[Pro7]

As long as you understand that when you are buying cheap batteries like that and you know you won't get the performance of an xs or other high end batteries I guess you are correct

But at that point you are more or less just replacing your stock lead-acid battery with another lead-acid battery and not really upgrading to the best product for your situation

Nathan once put it- having 3 walmart lead-acid batteries with 40ah each will get you more ah than one d3400 but that only matters if you are going to be pulling say 1500 watts of power for 120 hours straight with no charging i.e. car shut off, and in that case yes the 3 walmart batteries would be better in that case if you enjoy listening to music for LONG periods of time with the car off, but the d3400 can discharge 3300 amps right when power is needed which the 3 walmart batteries simply can not do

a metaphor for this would be if a house was on fire and you needed 10000 gallons of water to put it out and the 3 walmart batteries have that much capacity but they aren't made for the quick discharge needed in car audio so they can only use a fire hose the size of a drinking straw, while a battery bank of 2 d3400 with the same ah of 130 are disigned for quick discharge and can use a fire hose to put out the fire

These are better than walmart batteries. I guarantee everything battery-powered you own has something made by Universal Battery, PowerSonic, or Panasonic in it. This is about value for the money, if you have a system so serious that you need XS batts or something else more extreme then you can probably afford them.

well all i have is a 1500 watts in my system and did the big 3 and all i need for a battery is a d1200 under the hood and im set

if i was to use a lead-acid battery i would guarantee that i would need atleast a battery in the back

[deathcards]

wonder what one would last longer with proper maintenance

[Pro7]

and im just saying that buying one battery and putting it in the stock location will probably be cheaper in the long run compared to buying more than one and the same price for the batteries but then think of the cost of 1/0 to run to the other batteries and terminals and all that misc. stuff adds up too

[8ight]

As long as you understand that when you are buying cheap batteries like that and you know you won't get the performance of an xs or other high end batteries I guess you are correct

But at that point you are more or less just replacing your stock lead-acid battery with another lead-acid battery and not really upgrading to the best product for your situation

Nathan once put it- having 3 walmart lead-acid batteries with 40ah each will get you more ah than one d3400 but that only matters if you are going to be pulling say 1500 watts of power for 120 hours straight with no charging i.e. car shut off, and in that case yes the 3 walmart batteries would be better in that case if you enjoy listening to music for LONG periods of time with the car off, but the d3400 can discharge 3300 amps right when power is needed which the 3 walmart batteries simply can not do

a metaphor for this would be if a house was on fire and you needed 10000 gallons of water to put it out and the 3 walmart batteries have that much capacity but they aren't made for the quick discharge needed in car audio so they can only use a fire hose the size of a drinking straw, while a battery bank of 2 d3400 with the same ah of 130 are disigned for quick discharge and can use a fire hose to put out the fire

These are better than walmart batteries. I guarantee everything battery-powered you own has something made by Universal Battery, PowerSonic, or Panasonic in it. This is about value for the money, if you have a system so serious that you need XS batts or something else more extreme then you can probably afford them.

well all i have is a 1500 watts in my system and did the big 3 and all i need for a battery is a d1200 under the hood and im set

if i was to use a lead-acid battery i would guarantee that i would need atleast a battery in the back

Not true, I don't know what kind of alternator you're packing (stock I assume, but it could still be pretty beefy), but this would do the job fine in place of that d1200: http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html much bigger capacity, gel cell, need I say more? That d1200 is an AGM battery = Sealed Lead Acid...

and im just saying that buying one battery and putting it in the stock location will probably be cheaper in the long run compared to buying more than one and the same price for the batteries but then think of the cost of 1/0 to run to the other batteries and terminals and all that misc. stuff adds up too

Why would adding another battery require any more wiring? Just connect your existing amp power wire(s) to it and then connect the amps to it. If the battery has insert terminals all you need is ring terminals and a crimp tool.

[G-Rad]

All batteries have their advantages; sacrificing one thing for another. Nothing wrong with XS or Kinetik or any other high performance battery, if you can afford it, definitely worthy of it's cost.

For some of us, including myself, We can go out of our way for about 2-3 extra days of rsearch to dig up bargins, or things of that nature, and putting 2+2 together to find the results we're after. In some cases, RV batteries can definitely hold their own.

It's all about what people's needs, and their budget.

[Pro7]

it does have bigger capacity but that doesnt matter in my case as i dont listen to music for 40hours or how every many amp hours with the car off

that battery that you linked to will not have the capability to discharge as much power as needed in one burst where as that is what the xs is designed to

[8ight]

All batteries have their advantages; sacrificing one thing for another. Nothing wrong with XS or Kinetik or any other high performance battery, if you can afford it, definitely worthy of it's cost.

For some of us, including myself, We can go out of our way for about 2-3 extra days of rsearch to dig up bargins, or things of that nature, and putting 2+2 together to find the results we're after. In some cases, RV batteries can definitely hold their own.

It's all about what people's needs, and their budget.

Precisely, that was the point of my original post. To show people a cheap alternative. But it turned into a huge vs thread I'm waiting on the lock.

it does have bigger capacity but that doesnt matter in my case as i dont listen to music for 40hours or how every many amp hours with the car off

that battery that you linked to will not have the capability to discharge as much power as needed in one burst where as that is what the xs is designed to

I say no more to you after this, sir. If you like what you have it may as well be the best battery in the universe. I have a friend who drives a Cadillac he bought on Craigslist for $500 and loves it so I give him no shit about his car.

[deathcards]

wonder what one would last longer with proper maintenance

There are also off-brand gel-cells, they perform extremely well I use them in my Club Car.

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

This isn't the only site on the net for batteries either, they just have good shipping rates so I use them. I only know about all this because of my remote control boat racing hobby, I build my own battery packs for my brushless electrics.

So the main difference is that xs is still better, ergo, we pay more. But the other batteries will work for their intended purpose for much less, its hard not to jump on deals like that.

Yes, something to that effect. More like for those of us who do not need XS, or cannot afford XS, here is the cheap alternative to Kinetik/Shuriken/what have you.

they all require http://www.batteryma...battery-charger

Am I being ignorred :'(

[8ight]

wonder what one would last longer with proper maintenance

There are also off-brand gel-cells, they perform extremely well I use them in my Club Car.

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

http://www.batteryma...el-battery.html

This isn't the only site on the net for batteries either, they just have good shipping rates so I use them. I only know about all this because of my remote control boat racing hobby, I build my own battery packs for my brushless electrics.

So the main difference is that xs is still better, ergo, we pay more. But the other batteries will work for their intended purpose for much less, its hard not to jump on deals like that.

Yes, something to that effect. More like for those of us who do not need XS, or cannot afford XS, here is the cheap alternative to Kinetik/Shuriken/what have you.

they all require http://www.batteryma...battery-charger

Am I being ignorred :'(

Temporarily, yes. I cannot comment on the longevity of the gel cells but the two UB 110ah batts I have in my boat have served me for about 2 years now. You will need a gel cell charger for the gel cells, it doesn't have to be that one.

[doeboy99]

I worked at a battery plant that put out 45k batteries per shift here in NC. Only dry cell type batteries. We put out all the batteries for walmart, sams club, advanced auto, gm, ford, chrysler, interstate, and probably another half dozen to a dozen different people. The only real differences I saw were the size of the plates, how many were put in and how thick the paste was. So the marine batteries were always the dirtiest machines because they had the most paste and larger plates on them. Remember that just like tennis shoes there still are premiums charged just based on a name. The weigh of the battery to me is what tells you what your getting. I wasnt a line worker just the safety guy so I can't get much more detailed than that. I bet there are only 3 or 4 actual manufacturers of batteries here in the USA total. The amount of money they made per battery was not a whole lot.