bbeljefe Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Another thing to consider when considering a 6th is EBP. The subs you're using may not work well in a 6th, which is why I think so many people poo poo the alignment as finicky, when in reality... they're using the wrong sub(s). Sixth orders are ported alignments and 4th orders are sealed. And just like with conventional ported and sealed alignments, some subs do well in one while others don't and vice versa. If your drivers have an EBP below 50, they won't do well in a 6th unless it's a HUGE cabinet and sixth orders are not small to begin with so, modeling a 6th for a low EBP driver will not be easy unless you know the box has to be giant and have the space for it. Likewise, modeling a 4th for a driver with a high EBP isn't easy either. I've used 6th orders, primarily to get better performance from small drivers, for years but I've also built them for big subs and I've only ever built one 6th order that wasn't modeled on WinISD Beta. I've also never had to rebuild a 6th order because it didn't sound right. As for WInISD not accounting for cabin gain on 4ths & 6ths... it doesn't account for cabin gain on any alignment in as much as I'm aware. But in the end, a smooth curve on the graph will translate to a smooth curve in the vehicle. Perhaps not perfectly smooth and obviously, not as smooth as the one on paper but, it is certainly a reasonable facsimile. And to compensate for cabin issues, in an SQ build for instance, one just needs to avoid any acoustical gains in and around the vehicle's Fs. All that said, I'm a huge fan of 6ths and have been for years... until I built a transmission line. But the latter take up hella space so there is still a place for 4th and 6th orders. Facebook: facebook.com/audioanarchyllc Instagram: audioanarchyllc Youtube: youtube.com/bbeljefe
Guest Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 you could always pay the 50 bux and get a pwk designs, prob take some of the guess work out of it. Are pwk designs worth the $50 he charges? I need to design a 6th order box for my new build, but have no idea how and don't want to waste money on wood. sorry, but hell no LOL.
95neon_thumper82 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 bbel is the man bahaha.... I'm wanting to get down with a t line soon... I'm also researching folded horns... so one of those will be built too... but I'm on a bandpass gig right now bahaha... 6ths have my heart currently but an eighth may steal it lol <img src=http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w610/beastly666bassboy/IMG_9611192581855_zps9b9b76be.jpg border=0 alt= height="75" width="800"> Growing old is necessary... growing up is an option! Have fun or you might as well fall into a 6 foot deep hole. Its much easier to be smart and act stupid then it is to be stupid and act smart! You're only limited by your imagination! Stop limiting yourself! Optima yellow top6 guage cableJVC KD S36 headunitPower acoustik 1600w 750w rms @2 ohmsTwo MTX thunder 7000 10"sSealed box @4.04 ft^3Mojo Mat in the trunk Coming soon:1/0 awg cablebig 3... in 6 gauge(till i can get the money for 0)planet audio Crossover.2- 3.5's for the front.2- 6.5's for the doors2- 6x9's for the rear3- MB Quartz amps to power it all.1- 6" aeroport...soon! <p>My Log!
LoudBimmer Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Is there any repurable designer who can design a 6th order?
bbeljefe Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Is there any repurable designer who can design a 6th order? I'll do you a 6th but I don't do cut sheets so you'll only get volumes, tuning and graphs. But... I'll not charge you anything. Facebook: facebook.com/audioanarchyllc Instagram: audioanarchyllc Youtube: youtube.com/bbeljefe
jarrius Posted October 19, 2013 Author Report Posted October 19, 2013 So if you where to design a 6th order for 1 hdc 3 12 what would you tune each port at and what volumes would you use 2012 Chevy sonic1xSQ HDC3 12 D2RF R1200d 140 square foot of Q-Mat(soon to be installed) 140.2Db sealed on the dash with TL 142 DB sealed on the dash with another meter (was dead on with the TL at a show i was at) 141 on music. strangeduck,on 02 Jan 2014 - 01:39 AM, said: when my car spins out i just put the car in neutral, turn in the direction i want to go and pucker my asshole
420c Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 you could always pay the 50 bux and get a pwk designs, prob take some of the guess work out of it. Are pwk designs worth the $50 he charges? I need to design a 6th order box for my new build, but have no idea how and don't want to waste money on wood. sorry, but hell no LOL. yea just threw it out there to save the op some cash on wood and just in case his first build didnt come out right he doesnt give up on 6ths cause i know they get down when theyre done right.
95neon_thumper82 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 you could always pay the 50 bux and get a pwk designs, prob take some of the guess work out of it.Are pwk designs worth the $50 he charges? I need to design a 6th order box for my new build, but have no idea how and don't want to waste money on wood. sorry, but hell no LOL. yea just threw it out there to save the op some cash on wood and just in case his first build didnt come out right he doesnt give up on 6ths cause i know they get down when theyre done right.I would load off the high side and keep the low side on the biggish side probably 2 cube for the high side or what ever manufacturer suggests for box size... and then go to about 3 cube and the port slightly shorter... for a normal sixth... if you want quasi load off the low side and mess with the port size till it fits what you want... and go with about a cube on the high side with a huge port.. that's just me... all displacements are pre port displacements. <img src=http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w610/beastly666bassboy/IMG_9611192581855_zps9b9b76be.jpg border=0 alt= height="75" width="800"> Growing old is necessary... growing up is an option! Have fun or you might as well fall into a 6 foot deep hole. Its much easier to be smart and act stupid then it is to be stupid and act smart! You're only limited by your imagination! Stop limiting yourself! Optima yellow top6 guage cableJVC KD S36 headunitPower acoustik 1600w 750w rms @2 ohmsTwo MTX thunder 7000 10"sSealed box @4.04 ft^3Mojo Mat in the trunk Coming soon:1/0 awg cablebig 3... in 6 gauge(till i can get the money for 0)planet audio Crossover.2- 3.5's for the front.2- 6.5's for the doors2- 6x9's for the rear3- MB Quartz amps to power it all.1- 6" aeroport...soon! <p>My Log!
420c Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 95 what would recommend for a btl triple stack 18 in a series tuned. sorry for the thread jack op
bbeljefe Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 So if you where to design a 6th order for 1 hdc 3 12 what would you tune each port at and what volumes would you use Depends on what your goals are and how the driver acts. Facebook: facebook.com/audioanarchyllc Instagram: audioanarchyllc Youtube: youtube.com/bbeljefe
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