eaglescorpio1 Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I just blew my 7 year old kmg-k 12" kove armageddon with my jl 500/1. I have many options for new equipment but i need help weighing the options. Also, I have many questions about the options. Ok. I have the left over box for the 12 and it is 2.12 cubes, slot ported, and tuned to 42hz. The cubes is minus the port displacement already. I was told a 12w7 would work in the box ok but not ideally but will work while I build. Ok. Another option, fi btl 12, loaded for daily use. But will that work well in that size enclosure? on fi's site it said a 1.75 cube ported box is best. Also, I have the option to get 2 kove armageddon 15's that were built before they had any different series of armageddons. they are monsters!!!!!!!! Or I can get 2 15" armageddon U2's for the same price (500 for the pair) None of the 15's have ever been hooked up. I don't know what to get and if the lack of power till I can get more will be detrimental to the equipment. Also, how do I know if an amp is clipping? I don't know if I blew my sub from too much power, or clipping signal. I know this is alot, but please help. All the advice and input/opinions are welcome and very much appreciated!!!!! Quote Loud as f*ck, and sounds good doing it. Team built from here on out!!!! BIG things to come......... Missing link is the shite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtecDomani Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 when an amp is clipping it sounds like very harsh distortion through the subs. Quote Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P4050UB Subs: 2 Pioneer Premier 12" ts-w3004spls Sub box: 3.2ft3 tuned to 35hz Sub Amp: SoundMagus DK 1800 Speaker Amp: Rockford Fosgate 200a4 Bridged to fronts Front Speakers: DLS MS5A components 2 gauge power & ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescorpio1 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 when an amp is clipping it sounds like very harsh distortion through the subs. From listening to the sub, I did not hear any audible distortion. Is there any way with any volt/ohmmeter that I can test for anything? Or any tool? Quote Loud as f*ck, and sounds good doing it. Team built from here on out!!!! BIG things to come......... Missing link is the shite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtecDomani Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 From listening to the sub, I did not hear any audible distortion. Is there any way with any volt/ohmmeter that I can test for anything? Or any tool? no nothing really to test most likely a sub problem, what power is the sub rated for? did the sub just suddenly stop or gradually stop working? Quote Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P4050UB Subs: 2 Pioneer Premier 12" ts-w3004spls Sub box: 3.2ft3 tuned to 35hz Sub Amp: SoundMagus DK 1800 Speaker Amp: Rockford Fosgate 200a4 Bridged to fronts Front Speakers: DLS MS5A components 2 gauge power & ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescorpio1 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 no nothing really to test most likely a sub problem, what power is the sub rated for? did the sub just suddenly stop or gradually stop working? ok, I don't remember what the sub was rated for. I bought the speaker in 2000 or 2001 and since, I can't find any kove specs at all. I believe the sub is rated at 300 watts continuous and 600 peak. If those are the specs, than I can see why things went the way they did. I pushed this speaker HARD!!! Every time I was in the car, stereo was loud. The sub was playing fine for a while and then there started a slight buzzing sound. I measured the coils, and the coils showed that there was no short in them, both still read 3.8 ohms. Didn't know if it could be tiny debris inside the speaker. Well, it doesn't matter now. The coils are gone for sure. But I don't want this to happen to another speaker, like an fi btl that can handle well over 500 watts, but pop it from clipped power. Quote Loud as f*ck, and sounds good doing it. Team built from here on out!!!! BIG things to come......... Missing link is the shite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI James Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 you were throwing over RMS power to a sub and pushing hard with no regard, so thats pretty much why it blew....you cant always hear clipping BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescorpio1 Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 you were throwing over RMS power to a sub and pushing hard with no regard, so thats pretty much why it blew....you cant always hear clipping BTW understood about pushing way harder than rms. again, is there any way to test the output of an amplifier to see if it is clipping? also, what about the options with the other subs to get. mainly the fi. I am basically sold unless the 15's are worth not having a warranty and taking that risk. I want some insight and opinions on that too. and thank you so much, both of you for responding. Please keep on, I need all the knowledge, insight and opinions I can get. Thank you!!! Quote Loud as f*ck, and sounds good doing it. Team built from here on out!!!! BIG things to come......... Missing link is the shite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtecDomani Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Not really any way of testing if the amp is clipping, if the gains are set right you should have no problem. I am not familiar with the fi sub so cant help you there sorry but there are many other people on this site who can. Quote Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P4050UB Subs: 2 Pioneer Premier 12" ts-w3004spls Sub box: 3.2ft3 tuned to 35hz Sub Amp: SoundMagus DK 1800 Speaker Amp: Rockford Fosgate 200a4 Bridged to fronts Front Speakers: DLS MS5A components 2 gauge power & ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Not really any way of testing if the amp is clipping, if the gains are set right you should have no problem. I am not familiar with the fi sub so cant help you there sorry but there are many other people on this site who can. Oscilloscope Quote you can cook bacon shirtless if you're not a pussy...lol not hatin, but am i wrong here it looks as if the amp is not grounded its hooked directly to the battery. it that the way it should be. DC POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtecDomani Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Oscilloscope Thats true didn't think about that Quote Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P4050UB Subs: 2 Pioneer Premier 12" ts-w3004spls Sub box: 3.2ft3 tuned to 35hz Sub Amp: SoundMagus DK 1800 Speaker Amp: Rockford Fosgate 200a4 Bridged to fronts Front Speakers: DLS MS5A components 2 gauge power & ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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