tejcurrent Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) So my house is old. It was built in the 1940s, and is definitely a fixer upper. I'm replacing all the old ceiling fans, and went to replace the one in my master bedroom when I got interrupted mid wiring. I removed the old one to find out I had to replace the electric box in order to fasten the new fan in, and disconnect all the wires. I took a picture but in real life it's a mess what they have going on, so I drew a sketch up to represent what I put back together. I'm 95% sure it's how things were before, but now a few outlets don't work along one wall in the same room, so I figure I did something wrong. The first note in red says "120v constant", the 2nd down says "120v switched". The lowest one says "must be connected to constant for switch to work". The off color wiring is so old the jacket is braided cloth- all the same color. It had to be wired this way in order for the ceiling fans to operate properly, the only problem I'm having is like 3 outlets not working now. I checked all the breakers, but I only flipped the one off where I was working. I tested with a wireless electric sensor and there's definitely power going to the outlets- but after some testing with a DMM it appears both the neutral and hot wires have power going through them at all times. I can see where this would be a problem but I don't know what I should try switching around since there are MANY options, and I'm really really tired/drained to think about it any more tonight. Any advice is appreaciated. Thanks so much in advance. Edited December 22, 2008 by tejcurrent Quote tejcurrent XS Power T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejcurrent Posted December 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Cash paypaled to whoever coreecly identifies the problem. Quote tejcurrent XS Power T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aaron813 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 The way that diagram looks is correct you have a ground a neutral and hot wire youll want the ground to the ground the neutral to the neutral and the switched to the hot wich should be all coming from the switch in the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty504 Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 u can buy an outlet tester at lowes for about 8 bucks. are u sure that all the breakers are working properly? OR the white wire u have connected to the 2 blk+brown wire may have been the neutral for those outlets... Quote 2006 Altima 2.5 Alpine Iva- w200 Head unit 2 L7 kicker 12s in a slot ported box tuned to 38 Hz Rf T10001 @ 1 ohm Rf P4004 @ 4 ohms Poineer TS-D161R 6.5" in door panels Pioneer TS-D690R 6" x 9" in rear stinger 1/0 wiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejcurrent Posted December 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I tried the outlet tester I do have, as well as the dmm and the outlet tester wont light up at all in these outlets (again because there is no ground to even complete the circuit). That large bundle of 4 wires in the center of the box tests no power- all of those are neutral. When checking with a DMM the ONLY wire with power entering the box is the constant I have labeled, everything else has no power switched or not. The outlets in question are on the same breaker as the entire upstairs I'm going to check the insualtion real quick, but like I said the white wire on the right that enters the center bundle and all of the wires in the center are testing no power. Thanks for the replies guys. Quote tejcurrent XS Power T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty504 Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 iono wht to tell u... if i was there i prolly could help, sorry! Quote 2006 Altima 2.5 Alpine Iva- w200 Head unit 2 L7 kicker 12s in a slot ported box tuned to 38 Hz Rf T10001 @ 1 ohm Rf P4004 @ 4 ohms Poineer TS-D161R 6.5" in door panels Pioneer TS-D690R 6" x 9" in rear stinger 1/0 wiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejcurrent Posted December 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Santa was good- but I still have no outlet- so I will send someone cash who can correctly diagnose a wiring error. Or if someone is local to Myrtle Beach I will pay you to fix it! I need this working. I'm about to call a damn electrician, watch it be something stupid I should've figured out all along lol. Quote tejcurrent XS Power T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwigglezdj Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 the best thing i can say to do is, take down the fan, and undo all of the wireing up there, so youre starting from scratch, have your dimm handy, remove the cover from the switch and the outlet thats the problem, and in the celing there should be 1 hot wire comeing from the breaker box, then from that point (hot wire) you will need to track down the wire going to the switch , and when you connect the hot wire flip the switch and make sure you have power at the swithc and it kills the power when turned off, after that is found then you have a hot switch for the fan, and will know which wires of the fan go to the house wireing, then you should have set left that will feed the outlet. let me figure it out and draw it up in paint shop for ya...... Quote Americas loudest work van2006 iasca heavyweight bassboxing champion at 150.4 db with 60second average TL8 memphis PR15s,12 memphis PR6.5's coax,4 memphis PR 1inch tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwigglezdj Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 (edited) ok lets see if i can explain this in a better manner lol... ok 1 set wires are from breaker box one hot one net and one bare ground 1 set that go to and from switch 1 set that go to outlets ect connect the white of outlets to white of house and same goes for black from house to outlets, and do same for grounds (bare wire) then you will be left with the switch wires, you will take the wire going to the switch and put on the black side of house wireing, may call for a jumper wire to make long enough, and verify you have power at switch and the other gets hot cold with flip of switch, the left over wire is the hot side for the fan (black and blue wire on fan) then you will need to take a jumper from the white wire and put it on the white wire of the fan. if that does not fix the outlet you may have a bad outlet that is causeing the problems with the outlets. check all in the room and adjoing rooms, i have seen an outlet 6 outlets down affect all others on the string because of the guts gone bad and made the ground and net hot because of it arcing inside the outlet. Edited December 26, 2008 by mrwigglezdj Quote Americas loudest work van2006 iasca heavyweight bassboxing champion at 150.4 db with 60second average TL8 memphis PR15s,12 memphis PR6.5's coax,4 memphis PR 1inch tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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