andym85 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 not a square wavereally hard clip yes but square waves have vertical tangents in them that one is more of -2x extreme yes but not square ur gettin all electrial engineer on me...lol anyways...good read here http://www.bcae1.com/2ltlpwr.htm Quote i likes me some audio stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kl0wn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) ur gettin all electrial engineer on me...lolanyways...good read here http://www.bcae1.com/2ltlpwr.htm That website says this at one part of it "If the speakers can handle 3 or 4 times the power that your amplifier can produce, there's virtually no way to damage your speakers (no matter how clipped the signal is)." Is that really true? Edited December 8, 2009 by kl0wn Quote 06 Mini Cooper S Sundown, SoundQubed Cadence, XS Power 151s Sealed 155s Outlaw Windshield @ 37hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym85 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 That website says this at one part of it "If the speakers can handle 3 or 4 times the power that your amplifier can produce, there's virtually no way to damage your speakers (no matter how clipped the signal is)." Is that really true? everybody has their opinion on clipped signals... but in MY opinion i agree with that statement if your running a 200watt amp to a nightshade for example...i dont think any amount of clipping will damage it...but if u run its rated rms i think there is def a potential for damage.. Quote i likes me some audio stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kl0wn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 everybody has their opinion on clipped signals...but in MY opinion i agree with that statement if your running a 200watt amp to a nightshade for example...i dont think any amount of clipping will damage it...but if u run its rated rms i think there is def a potential for damage.. Well I can see it with a 200watt amp and a nightshade, I wasn't thinking of that big of a difference haha. I believe that clipped songs and clipped amp are different like treo said. I believe it's a lot worse to have a clipped amp playing at full tilt, then a song that is clipped a little playing at full tilt. But, that is just my opinion. Quote 06 Mini Cooper S Sundown, SoundQubed Cadence, XS Power 151s Sealed 155s Outlaw Windshield @ 37hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym85 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 true...i dont know enough about clipping to give any further opinion than i already have Quote i likes me some audio stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) bigger woofers have more advanced cooling capabilities and better heat handling coils so i think it is very possible to clip the hell out of a woofer as long as it can a) take the heat and keep on truckin or b ) dissipate the heat through awesome cooling so yes as long as the coil can take the heat the current will produce they can goall day on clipped power. and sound like ass the whole time Edited December 8, 2009 by IH8PunkRok Quote -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Well I can see it with a 200watt amp and a nightshade, I wasn't thinking of that big of a difference haha. I believe that clipped songs and clipped amp are different like treo said. I believe it's a lot worse to have a clipped amp playing at full tilt, then a song that is clipped a little playing at full tilt. But, that is just my opinion. a clipped song will cause a clipped amp because the amp sees the signal and makes it louder however i think you are right because a clipped amp will clip everything whereas if the amp is set cleanly and there is a clipped section the clippin ill only last that long so yea clipped song is a little better than a clipped amp unless the whole song is clipped Quote -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph3n1 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) basically it works like this. since i researched this for a while when i was figuring out how the hell i blew my last system. when you clip an amp it sends a clipped signal to the sub and the exact thing happens when you clip a song. the only major difference is usually songs aren't clipped throughout the entire track on the other hand if your clipping your amp bad then its sending a constant clipped signal to the woofer which = major damage. i mean ive seen some serioously bad clipped songs that will make your shit so stinky just look at what your playing before you play it itll save you some money i cant imagine how bad a badlyclipped song+badlyclipped amp would be lol Edited December 8, 2009 by Steph3n1 Quote 2005 Ford Ranger Reg cab Build in Progress T3 Audio T2000 12 ARC SE4000 Stinger HPM 1/0 Wire DC power 270xp Batts: 1 Redtop up front and a Stinger SPP2250 in the back Hopes to be in and around a 150....weel see my youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/steph3n1 Team DBs (Driven By sound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kl0wn Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 basically it works like this. since i researched this for a while when i was figuring out how the hell i blew my last system. when you clip an amp it sends a clipped signal to the sub and the exact thing happens when you clip a song. the only major difference is usually songs aren't clipped throughout the entire track on the other hand if your clipping your amp bad then its sending a constant clipped signal to the woofer which = major damage. i mean ive seen some serioously bad clipped songs that will make your shit so stinky just look at what your playing before you play it itll save you some money i cant imagine how bad a badlyclipped song+badlyclipped amp would be lol Talking about a constant clipped signal, I had a small conversation with DJ from AQ asking him exactly how the clipping light on the bass knob worked, and why the light would get brighter at times, and what exactly it all meant. Maybe some of it can explain a little bit of this clipping stuff, definitely if you are running an AQ amp. This is quoted directly to what he replied to me with. "The more you turn the volume up on your HU the more power the amp is going to require from your electrical system and the more power it will produce. The clipping indicator is very accurate and will let you know when you are begining or approaching the clipping threshold; the intensity of the led will increase the closer you get. When the led is flashing you are actually into slight clipping for a very short duration on certain frequencies but it is not constant and the signal for the most part is clean and will not be a square wave. When the light glows solid it's time to back it down because the amp is clipping constantly on all frequencies and producing square waves. If the light just flashes when the frequencies in the music change it's ok." Quote 06 Mini Cooper S Sundown, SoundQubed Cadence, XS Power 151s Sealed 155s Outlaw Windshield @ 37hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph3n1 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Talking about a constant clipped signal, I had a small conversation with DJ from AQ asking him exactly how the clipping light on the bass knob worked, and why the light would get brighter at times, and what exactly it all meant. Maybe some of it can explain a little bit of this clipping stuff, definitely if you are running an AQ amp. This is quoted directly to what he replied to me with."The more you turn the volume up on your HU the more power the amp is going to require from your electrical system and the more power it will produce. The clipping indicator is very accurate and will let you know when you are begining or approaching the clipping threshold; the intensity of the led will increase the closer you get. When the led is flashing you are actually into slight clipping for a very short duration on certain frequencies but it is not constant and the signal for the most part is clean and will not be a square wave. When the light glows solid it's time to back it down because the amp is clipping constantly on all frequencies and producing square waves. If the light just flashes when the frequencies in the music change it's ok." yup i wish i had that on my sundown :/ still a baddass amp tho Quote 2005 Ford Ranger Reg cab Build in Progress T3 Audio T2000 12 ARC SE4000 Stinger HPM 1/0 Wire DC power 270xp Batts: 1 Redtop up front and a Stinger SPP2250 in the back Hopes to be in and around a 150....weel see my youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/steph3n1 Team DBs (Driven By sound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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