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So who would honestly buy one or know someone who would ? MAP would be around $600 from an authorized dealer... but in the SQ realm that is not a ton for a reference level SQ 12" woofer. I do plan to Klippel it once I get one built with the thicker coil.

Exactly what the Regular cost is listed in the first post : SA-10 : $185 Regular / $150 Sale SA-12 : $195 Regular / $155 Sale SA-15 : $235 Regular / $190 Sale SAX-1200D : $395 Regular / $325 Sale

Well -- the box with some of the re-cone parts arrived but the subs got separated. SO here are some photos @ the shop of some of the parts :thumbsup: * Progression of the baskets... to the left the original 12-spoke, then the 8-leg, and now the fully tooled Sundown frame! * Wider new spider on the left and older spider on the right (we have round lead spiders in stock for re-cones) * 10mm wider with an entire extra roll on the outside. * Doubled up / large round lead wires. * First step -- bottom spider with no leads. * Second step -- spacer ring in place and center glue joint support ring (there is another behind the rear spider as well) * Then the top spider on top of the spacer ring -- there will be a steel bolt-on ring on top of all of this in production. * Logo in the basket base inside, under the spiders * Visible external logo * New gasket vs. old gasket -- hard to tell but the new one is slightly bigger so we had to tool it anyway so we put the logo in it too.

All of them going over to Woofers.

They bought out the last of what we had of the 1000s when they first signed on as a dealer -- apparently the demand has been very strong on them ever since.

Well you will be able to get one again soon. We made a special run of SAZ-1000Ds just for WoofersEtc.com that is due in about two weeks. Many people are looking for mates to their 1000Ds and this will be another, and the final chance to get one! This will likely be a one-time deal for a final run on these amps. I'll get more information up on pricing and whatnot once they actually arrive here at our facility.

Thanks. These subs are oriented at being a big beefy driver with more daily beating in mind and a tad less SPL than a Nightshade. Power handling is creeping right up with the NS v.2 -- the main reason for someone to get an NS v.2 over one of these would be mostly for SPL competition usage due to the much higher motor force of the NS v.2 motor. Not that these cannot do SPL... if you see some of the crazy stuff our Russian customers are doing with the Z v.3 already

These motors can accept NS v.1, NS v.2, and NS v.2 SPL coils, yes.

That is actually a true story -- I had that in as a prototype... design was really odd (three speaker terminals) and I wasn't happy enough with it to ever produce them. But yes, it was a prototype.

Yep, 2.5" coils @ 45mm winding length

Yes he is -- the OA drivers are great products especially at their cost (as Nick said).

These will go through rigorous testing before approval for production. I am hoping we got it right the first time -- but if I am not 100% satisfied I will make more tweaks before doing full production. Stay tuned !

I have the pre-breakin specs as well -- they need a nice break-in period to get the more settled in specs. The Fs and Qts will drop as usual. Take note especially of how low the Le is now... this will extend the top-end response and reduce inductive distortion significantly from prior models. D2 Specs: D4 Specs:

Pricing is coming out a bit higher than expected due to the amount of aluminum in the frame, the large internal aluminum shorting ring, extra steel in the motor, added labor to assemble, and the doubled leads -- but I didn't want to make any compromises so it is what it is! I wanted to keep it around ~150 MAP but it looks like it will be $185 MAP (same as an SA-10) -- of course we have to keep in mind there is really nothing else like this on the market to compare to price-wise. I have NOT added a penny to the price to cover what I paid in tooling -- I am pricing ONLY on cost to produce per unit so this is the best price I could possibly offer on this driver. I think when we see one of these standing next to an SA-8 v.1 it will pretty much explain itself visually. So -- that being said I will likely produce an SD-2 8" to fill in the large price gap from the E8v.2 ($89) to this guy ($185)... so I'll start development on the SD-2 model soon to come in around the pricing level of the SA-8 v.1 as we know it today so we'll have a full spectrum depending on budget.

Original Discussion Thread I expect to have this in by first of February if not sooner (working on better ETA). Production on the steel parts started first of last month but I am being conservative with the ETA due to the continually increasing delays we have experienced this year on production. Due to popular demand I'll go ahead and open pre-ordering on these models. E-10 D2 / D4 - $89 EACH ($105 regular) E-12 D2 / D4 - $94 EACH ($110 regular) E-15 D2 / D4 - $110 EACH ($130 regular) Shipped in the continental 48 states. Hawaii and AK e-mail for quotes. !!! USA ONLY !!! You can PAYPAL us at [email protected] OR order from your favorite local or online retailer during this pre-order sale. I do expect the first production run to sell very quickly so if your heart is set on these go ahead and get them now. !!! FRAMES WILL BE BLACK ON PRODUCTION !!! ---------- Weights : 10 - 16.4 lbs 12 - 16.9 lbs 15 - 17.8 lbs Mounting Depths : 10 - 5.5" 12 - 6.25" 15 - 7.0" Add 5/16" for production due to the spacer I'm adding. All subs have 12mm one-way linear x-max by 70% BL method. ---------- Thermal test completed @ 60 Hz sine wave : TIME // CLAMPED WATTS At ~400 the heat wasn't building up any faster than it could be dealt with as demonstrated by the minimal drop in power over time once it hit operating temp. So I feel the 400 RMS rating is well deserved -- it could literally handle that "all day" so to speak. Then we hit it with more power after the typical 5 minute test as we normally do... it took over 2 minutes at 500-700 after that to kill it. Conclusion... thermal capacity is a non-issue on this design @ 400 RMS. Little inside view after we cut it up : ---------- Testing 400-watt E-15 prototype in free air. As per my comments in the video we'll have 8mm more rearward clearance on production (16mm p-p) so the driver will support even more throw before any mechanical tapping. ---------- E-10 : D2 Specs D4 Specs ---------- E-12 : D2 Specs D4 Specs ---------- E-15 : D2 Specs D4 Specs

As with current SA-8s they are D2 and D4

The cord is a standard phone cord on them -- a phone cord splitter will do the trick.

No updates yet.

Lots of hard work and tooling in this guy... I expect it to pass all my testing immediately -- some small tweaks may be needed for production but I think this will pretty much be it !

I have renderings of new Sundown frames in 10/12/15 that I'm working on... will come out in time.

It will be on it's way to me soon for testing of performance and final specs... also production costs should come in soon so I'll be able to get a cost to customer price shortly :thumbsup: On to the photos of it all put together !

Last Day !

So far: 3790 watts @ 152.6 dB with new box. At the moment it won't support more power (two small SP1000 12v batteries and stock alternator) -- I may drop my 16v batteries in tomorrow.

* Compared to old box front. * Compared to old box rear -- old box just had the port screwed to the back. ---------- Should have some results later today or tomorrow !

* Box is really taking shape. * Braces inserted between the woofer holes. * Old box laying around still for reference. * Cheap pine wood -- 5 ply. * Nice birch wood -- 13 ply. * Port is locked in there for good by the side walls. * All outside edges rounded over.