kickass audio Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Holy short stories batman lol just messin with ya, read thru all of it you have some good info there Mine is also the bolt kind, no tensioner. with my HO alt the pulley was smaller but the stock belt was just the right size, no squealing while it ran but it would do it at start up, so went out and got a smaller belt (1/2in smaller) and i had to slip the belt on and then bolt it on to get it to work, once i had that it only have it about 1/2in to move, now its alittle tighter than before i seen there was some stuff on the smooth pulley to the right of the alt (if your standing on the right of the car) def clean that one up might be the one thats making the noise, thought u said the squealing was gone?! Haha i know. Like i said earlier i tend to talk a ton on here. But id rather explain it in full detail so you guys all know what i personally did and know so you can possibly resolve your problems. Thats pretty much why i do it like that. Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieswithMustaches Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I just don't want the belt snapping while I drive. Is that a chance with the chirping belt? It depends. Usually from what ive seen working on cars with my dad for 10 years is that with belts when they chirp its usually caused from either the pulley being loose and not putting enough tension on all of the pulleys, your pulley itself may need some oils (very rare that this happens), your belt has glazing on it which means its deteriorating, or you have some moisture or humidity in the air to make it slip until it can get warm or rub off the moisture after a few minutes. On rare occasions with my truck if its a really humid day my belt will squeak for a minute until i drive it for the length of one block then it stops completely. What id do to make sure your belt wont snap if you tighten it is to take it off and inspect the ENTIRE belt. Make sure that there are no grooves that are cut out, bent out of shape or deformed. If they are then its time to replace the belt as it is slipping too much. Also what i like to do is to take the belt and bend it so that the ribbed part of the belt is bent outward. Then look at it, if you see that its cracked or hard to bend then its time to replace the belt asap. Also check your engine for this. Look at the pulleys on your engine or any parts of your engine that go over the area of your belt. Look to see if you have any black residue on it. If you do this means your belt is coming apart from either slipping or it had something come into contact with it. With my old belt on my truck before i replaced it, i had a drop of power steering fluid hit the belt and even though i cleaned it off immediately, it still gummed up the belt on the one spot where the drop hit. Also when you take the belt off check every one of your pulleys to see if they are worn out. For example if you have a bad air compressor the pulley sometimes seems to wobble. Testing it is just like how you can test your tires for a bad wheel bearing. Grab the pulley at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions and try to move it left and right. If it moves then that pulley is bad and needs to be replaced. If it doesnt then try to put your hands on the 12 and 6 o'clock positions and pull up and down to see if the pulley moves. Same as before, if it wobbles then you need to replace the pulley, if not then your pulley is in good working order. And finally, do NOT EVER spray anything onto the pulleys to try and stop squealing. This will only splatter onto the belt and cause it to slip. Think of it as if you put bearing grease on your brake rotors. Your car wont stop well if you do this. Well same thing with your belt, if you oil it, your belt will tend to slip more. The only thing you should do if your bearing is in need of lubrication is to take the pulley apart and put bearing grease onto the pulleys bearings and put it back together which is a pain in the ass to do. You can easily tell which pulley is squealing by rotating it by hand. Now dont be a dumbass and try to turn your engines crankshaft or other major pulleys (the large ones) as they will be damn near impossible to turn, but spin your small ones and see if any of them squeal when you move the back and forth. If they do then they need some lubrication or replacement. It's a brand new belt and a new Mechman Alt. I had loosened the tensioner whenever I first was trying to remove the old belt, because I didn't know how to loosen it at first. But, I figured it out but I later went back to tighten the tensioner. I may have not gotten it tightened back enough. Plus, the belt usually does stopping chirping after a little bit. But like I said, I do live in higher humidity area. I just don't get why it does it sometimes, but not it seems after it's warm, it doesn't. Then sometimes, it doesn't at all. Who knows?! ha ha!! Quote Float mounted IPad Mini playing through Bluetooth IStreamer for Iphone or Ipad Rockford Fosgate 3Sixty.3 RE Audio XXX 6.5's in each door with a second set soon to be added to the front doors Two Rockford T600-4's for the components Blowthrough with two Sundown SA-8's RF T1500-bd's for the subs 8000k H.I.D.'s in headlights and fogs Lifted 2" in front and 2" in back (soon to be installed a Suspension Maxx 1.5" body lift) 17" Ultra Rogue 175's on Nitto Trail Grappler 285/17 70's Undercover Bedcover Surco Roof Rack Five Hella Lights on front bumper 270A Mechman Alternator Two Optima Yellow Top batteries Dynamat double layered each door and roof, quadruple layered on back wall, single layered on floor with Second Skin Luxury Liner Pro on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickass audio Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Would you know where to get one of the belt tension tester tools? I have read about them but don't know where to look. Haha my belt tensioner testing tool is called your hand and a ruler from office max. LMFAO!! seriously though thats what i do. I find a good flat spot in the belt where i can put the rulers edge onto and then i mark where the belt was with some tape so you know where it was before you start pulling onto it. Then with one hand start to pull the belt up where you placed the ruler and see how far you can get it and jot down how far you go the top of the belt to go on the ruler. Then subract that from the measurement you got when the belt was just sitting there and that will be how much tension you have on your belt. Now its not really accurate as some guys on here are like hercules compared to the weak ass guy i am but i find it does a good job when i do that test. Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunkjuice1 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Yeah but I have always been curious about how to get actual Lbs on belt like packaging says. Example can't remember numbers but a belt I had used said to install belt with X amount of pounds on it turn car on let it run for a bit then tighten belt to X amount pounds after that with a belt tension tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lem43606 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 yes the squeal stopped for like a day or 2 then started right back up again, so looks like im gonna have to get a new smaller belt.. another day working on the car. its pretty much all i do with my free time these days Quote 2 Fi BTL N2 18s Fully LoadedSundown Audio NS-1Kenwood 845 HU Clarion EQ4 Juicebox 3100sKnu Wire"Big 3"Mechman 270a156.3dBTeam GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickass audio Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Yea i dont know of any tools to actually test the pressure on the belt. I just yank on it and see how far it moves and adjust it from there. Also i try to pull the belt straight off a pulley and if you can then the belt is either too small or just needs to be tightened up some. Getting the right amount of tension on your belt is a pain but after you get it you will have to adjust it down the line as the belt will stretch as it gets older. From what ive seen, when my belt squeals all the time, its usually 2 inches larger than the original length of the belt. And tomato, your humidity plays a LARGE role in belt slipping. Like i said with mine, if i let the truck sit a day or two and it rained one of those days, the belt will squeal for a minute and then stop once it gets warm and the belt dries out. This is normal and you usually cant do anything about it other than to stick your vehicle in a garage so it doesnt get as much moisture on your belt. Ive seen that most belt slippage occurs on the pulley for your fan (if you dont have an electronic radiator fan), your crank shaft, or your tensioner. Its rare that ive seen it caused by another pulley slipping. Quote 2004 GMC Envoy1 XS power S3400 batt under the hood and 4 XS Power D3100's battery installed in the rear by the amps0 gauge power wire from front to backAlpine iva-w205 touchscreen dvd/cd/mp3/ipod/am/fm/gps headunitSundown Audio SAX-200.4 amp for my mids and highs8 gauge speaker wire from amp to woofer270 amp Mechman AltRockford Fosgate T1652-s component speakersRockford Fosgate 3Sixty.2 sound processorRca's from Rockford Fosgate and Monster Cable14 gauge speaker wire for the mids and highs1 18" Ascendant Audio SMD Dual 1 ohm with custom Black & Blue carbon fiber and hand signed dustcapBox: 5.66 cubic feet net volume box tuned to 30.13Hz with 1.5" wide wooden dowels and 1.5" thick baffle1 DC Audio 5.0k amp wired to .5 ohms nominal with an imp rise of 1.35 ohms for the single AA SMD 18"Future Vision 8000k 50w bi-xenon projector HID's with 4300k 35w fog lightsLink to my build: Buildupdates/progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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