secure email ?

[Sheena]

You really think hotmail and yahoo etc are selling off passwords and user info?

Why wouldn't they be? It's their account not yours. Don't you ever read the 45 page long terms of service agreement?

[n8ball2013]

The longer and more complex your password is increases its keyspace. I think it more comes down to yahoo just not giving a damn about database security.

Sheena,

I cant see it. I know you have an IT background as well but it opens them up to a huge class action lawsuit. Since hacking is the new thing I think most of their leaks come serverside more than someone actually launching a successful password guessing attack. If you do enough digging around there are sites with just thousands of password and email dumps on them.

[IBleedMusick]

The longer and more complex your password is increases its keyspace. I think it more comes down to yahoo just not giving a damn about database security.

Sheena,

I cant see it. I know you have an IT background as well but it opens them up to a huge class action lawsuit. Since hacking is the new thing I think most of their leaks come serverside more than someone actually launching a successful password guessing attack. If you do enough digging around there are sites with just thousands of password and email dumps on them.

Sheena, what n8 said plain and simple. Yahoo, Hotmail and every other provider does their best to protect you but stupid people choose the easiest passwords to go with. The security flaw has been exploited numerous times but it always happens to those who don't know any better.

[Maxim]

You really think hotmail and yahoo etc are selling off passwords and user info?

Why wouldn't they be? It's their account not yours. Don't you ever read the 45 page long terms of service agreement?

You don't think this would have been uprooted by now and a class-action lawsuit would have been filed? It's been 15 years since Microsoft acquired Hotmail. Microsoft has better ways of making money than selling Hotmail usernames and passwords. Also, it does say in their TOS that they "do not sell, rent, or lease our customer lists to third parties". Do you read the TOS agreements?

http://www.microsoft...ht/default.aspx

http://privacy.micro...us/default.mspx

Also, if your account was hacked multiple times and multiple passwords were used, I'd bet money you had a keylogger of some sort on your machine. They're more common that people anticipate.

I've never had an issue with Gmail, though I never had an issue with any others prior to that. All of my passwords are only 8 characters, but a good combo of uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and special characters does the trick. And don't just put something simple followed by a "1" or a "1!". That's not any more secure.

[Jaloosk]

Shoes@50%off!

Now that's a great password.

[Sheena]

The longer and more complex your password is increases its keyspace. I think it more comes down to yahoo just not giving a damn about database security.

Sheena,

I cant see it. I know you have an IT background as well but it opens them up to a huge class action lawsuit. Since hacking is the new thing I think most of their leaks come serverside more than someone actually launching a successful password guessing attack. If you do enough digging around there are sites with just thousands of password and email dumps on them.

very true, i agree with you there, considering how Anonymous made a complete mockery out of a few companies.

however, very few people on earth are tech savvy, and when i say tech savvy, i dont mean know how to send an email.

there isnt enough people who are important to notice that their information is being sold off hotmail. the tech savvy people dont really care about our information being missing.

and the normal user just thinks they have a virus, thanks to the commercials and other forms of media.

i am by no means a normal user and i wont be fooled by "oh your password is shit"

there is a deeper meaning.

for one, these people have to have your email address, which if its your public one, you post everywhere.

[Sheena]

You really think hotmail and yahoo etc are selling off passwords and user info?

Why wouldn't they be? It's their account not yours. Don't you ever read the 45 page long terms of service agreement?

You don't think this would have been uprooted by now and a class-action lawsuit would have been filed? It's been 15 years since Microsoft acquired Hotmail. Microsoft has better ways of making money than selling Hotmail usernames and passwords. Also, it does say in their TOS that they "do not sell, rent, or lease our customer lists to third parties". Do you read the TOS agreements?

http://www.microsoft...ht/default.aspx

http://privacy.micro...us/default.mspx

Also, if your account was hacked multiple times and multiple passwords were used, I'd bet money you had a keylogger of some sort on your machine. They're more common that people anticipate.

I've never had an issue with Gmail, though I never had an issue with any others prior to that. All of my passwords are only 8 characters, but a good combo of uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and special characters does the trick. And don't just put something simple followed by a "1" or a "1!". That's not any more secure.

We do not sell, rent, or lease our customer lists to third parties. In order to help provide our services, we occasionally provide information to other companies that work on our behalf.

guess you forgot to post that last part. TOS agreements are a very VERY fine line of understanding. when they say other companies that work on their behalf, they pretty much mean anyone who will pay them.

wonder why you get spam emails from penis enhancements? certainly not cause someone guessed your email.

its the same shit with phone providers selling your number to advertisers, i get calls from "0" "99999999999" and other retarded numbers all the time at home.

i dont see why you of all people would put your trust in something we both know is flawed (maxim, and the internet)

[IBleedMusick]

I will say this no way in hell any email provider would risk the shit storm from the "wrong user" finding out their information is being sold. That's not to say there aren't dirty employees and I am sure it has happened before. Selling a list of emails is one thing selling someone's personal information is a whole other ballpark and I think you are blending the two. Yes lots of companies sell their client email list which causes you to get spam but best believe Yahoo, Hotmail etc is not selling your name address and passwords to anyone. You're picking and choosing how to interpret the TOS to make your argument valid.

[n8ball2013]

when they say we provide information its not username password. Its we have xxx amount of users xxx amount are male xxx are age this etc. They also provide information on web queries and things like that.

[Sheena]

im not saying your entire life story.. just email and password.

an email hacker is just going to briefly look for credit card details and porn pics, then delete your email if they're a dick.

change the password when they're done after they use your email to send out mass spam to your contacts.

basically its down to this.. very few people pursue legal action online against a "hacker" or someone who knows your email/password. this is because a normal user only knows geek squad as their tech support and is unaware that you can track that person down who last logged into your email.

geek squad will tell this person that its unfortunate, but theres nothing we can do.

this is a MASS majority of americans. their might be a handful that try legal action, but get paid off and keep quiet.

you know its happening, you just dont want to believe it.

it comes down to "son of a bitch i got a virus and got my identity stolen, oh well" and they never use email again.

i have multiple RETARDED clients who seem to go out of their way to put a virus on their computer, or give their credit card info out to scam sites.

not one of them have asked "can we find them?", they just tell me that they're canceling the card and moving on, if money is missing they will tell the card companies it was fraud.

people think you cant be found on the internet. but as most of you know and especially n8, bitches can be found, STILL no one believes that they can be.

ive seen tons of times where people come on this site then 5 mins later have their info posted up cause they done fucked up. these are the normal americans, that think they are hiding, and think that everyone else is hiding.

nope.