jfoodstamp Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Okay I currently own a set of Image cd1e Horns. These horns are 8 Ohm and sound great but it isn't quite enough. What do you guys think about adding an 8 ohm supertweeter to help me get more power out of the amp and help in the upper range of the audio spectrum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I feel your pain my friend. I run the full bodies from ID. I have been at this problem myself and have come up with a couple options. One of which I will be pulling the trigger on soon. The problem is getting one to match the sensitivity. Here are a couple that should work. http://usspeaker.com/ciare%201.38tw-1.htm I'll be getting a pair of these to run in the A pillars. Note the size. 5.9" for a tweeter. lol Here is another to look at to look at. http://usspeaker.com/B&C-DE35-1.htm These will play a little higher than the horns but will still need some eq to get that 20k sparkle. lol http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/bullet-tweeters/fostex-ft17h-horn-super-tweeter/ This one will play all the way to 20k and then some but will be 10db less efficient than the horns. How many watts do you have on your horns now? Have you tried eq"ing? Due to the shape of the horns they have a natural rolloff of ~16k. You could also try a ribbon. I looked at some fancy pants aurum cantus and Fountek. Sensitivity isn't as high as I like but they do have a large diaphragm and that can make up for it. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=276-438 http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ribbon-tweeters/fountek-neocd2.0m-blk-5-ribbon-tweeter-rectangular-flange-black/ I would love to have a pair of these in my car but the Ciare's are a better fit for me. Quote 2005 Ford Focus zx4 AMT's and Planars 18" Infinite baffle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfoodstamp Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I have used some soundstream sst-05 in a couple of installs used with compomemt sets and passive crossovers. Did it sound good... Hell Yeah. Loud Yes Sir, But I want Great. I am gonna look at some of your suggestions. AS for EQ I have some options: I currently own a broke Audiocontrol eqs and am thinking about getting it rebuilt but really want to use a Audiocontrol three.2 in dash Eq. I had the older model in the late 90's and loved it. Does Anybody else have any input on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Last time I heard a set of horns (under ALOT of EQ influence) ... they owned the upper midbass and highs ... This not the case here ?? Quote Kenwood / HELIX / Linear Power (For The Love Of Music) / Brutal Sounds / OverKill Electric Co Questions About Sound Quality ?? Try Here ... Sound Quality, What does it REALLY mean ?? SMD SOTM Winner "White Lightning" 1997 GMT400 Chevy Silverado "The Green Dickle" 1994 GMT400 Chevy "Phantom Dually" Randal's 2007 Chevy Avalanche (we haven't named this one yet) Dylan's "Brutal" 17 Chevy Cruze RS Hatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfoodstamp Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Well I haven't eq'd them... just raw power. I'm wondering. I just always want more.... Its the show off in me. And I have also went to alot bigger car than I had.... From a civic to a 93 Chevy Caprice. If I could judt buy another set of image hotns and fit them in there I would or a 4 ohm driver I could be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 If it was me, and I done all that to get those horns installed properly ... I'd do a massive dual Audio Control EQ setup before I'd add any more drivers ... Those things take ALOT of EQ to sound corectly ... My guess is that you haven't eventouched the iceberg of what those things are capable of ... I know of 2 cars that slaughtered the SQ world with a pair of horns, Both of which had dual 32 band equalizers in them ... Then again bro ... Just my suggestion here ... Quote Kenwood / HELIX / Linear Power (For The Love Of Music) / Brutal Sounds / OverKill Electric Co Questions About Sound Quality ?? Try Here ... Sound Quality, What does it REALLY mean ?? SMD SOTM Winner "White Lightning" 1997 GMT400 Chevy Silverado "The Green Dickle" 1994 GMT400 Chevy "Phantom Dually" Randal's 2007 Chevy Avalanche (we haven't named this one yet) Dylan's "Brutal" 17 Chevy Cruze RS Hatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddub847 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 sell them to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I feel your pain my friend. I run the full bodies from ID. I have been at this problem myself and have come up with a couple options. One of which I will be pulling the trigger on soon. The problem is getting one to match the sensitivity. Here are a couple that should work. http://usspeaker.com/ciare%201.38tw-1.htm I'll be getting a pair of these to run in the A pillars. Note the size. 5.9" for a tweeter. lol Here is another to look at to look at. http://usspeaker.com/B&C-DE35-1.htm These will play a little higher than the horns but will still need some eq to get that 20k sparkle. lol http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/bullet-tweeters/fostex-ft17h-horn-super-tweeter/ This one will play all the way to 20k and then some but will be 10db less efficient than the horns. How many watts do you have on your horns now? Have you tried eq"ing? Due to the shape of the horns they have a natural rolloff of ~16k. You could also try a ribbon. I looked at some fancy pants aurum cantus and Fountek. Sensitivity isn't as high as I like but they do have a large diaphragm and that can make up for it. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=276-438 http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ribbon-tweeters/fountek-neocd2.0m-blk-5-ribbon-tweeter-rectangular-flange-black/ I would love to have a pair of these in my car but the Ciare's are a better fit for me. How are you looking with your EQ setup on those horns ?? Quote Kenwood / HELIX / Linear Power (For The Love Of Music) / Brutal Sounds / OverKill Electric Co Questions About Sound Quality ?? Try Here ... Sound Quality, What does it REALLY mean ?? SMD SOTM Winner "White Lightning" 1997 GMT400 Chevy Silverado "The Green Dickle" 1994 GMT400 Chevy "Phantom Dually" Randal's 2007 Chevy Avalanche (we haven't named this one yet) Dylan's "Brutal" 17 Chevy Cruze RS Hatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 sell them to me No shit ... I'd take them too Quote Kenwood / HELIX / Linear Power (For The Love Of Music) / Brutal Sounds / OverKill Electric Co Questions About Sound Quality ?? Try Here ... Sound Quality, What does it REALLY mean ?? SMD SOTM Winner "White Lightning" 1997 GMT400 Chevy Silverado "The Green Dickle" 1994 GMT400 Chevy "Phantom Dually" Randal's 2007 Chevy Avalanche (we haven't named this one yet) Dylan's "Brutal" 17 Chevy Cruze RS Hatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I feel your pain my friend. I run the full bodies from ID. I have been at this problem myself and have come up with a couple options. One of which I will be pulling the trigger on soon. The problem is getting one to match the sensitivity. Here are a couple that should work. http://usspeaker.com...%201.38tw-1.htm I'll be getting a pair of these to run in the A pillars. Note the size. 5.9" for a tweeter. lol Here is another to look at to look at. http://usspeaker.com.../B&C-DE35-1.htm These will play a little higher than the horns but will still need some eq to get that 20k sparkle. lol http://www.madisound...-super-tweeter/ This one will play all the way to 20k and then some but will be 10db less efficient than the horns. How many watts do you have on your horns now? Have you tried eq"ing? Due to the shape of the horns they have a natural rolloff of ~16k. You could also try a ribbon. I looked at some fancy pants aurum cantus and Fountek. Sensitivity isn't as high as I like but they do have a large diaphragm and that can make up for it. http://www.parts-exp...tnumber=276-438 http://www.madisound...r-flange-black/ I would love to have a pair of these in my car but the Ciare's are a better fit for me. How are you looking with your EQ setup on those horns ?? I only run a 7 band which is ok for the moment. When I get a 1/3 octave I can peel away everything and finally show what the horns are capable of. I have good stage height and width but the peaks in freq. response (mostly from 1-6k) are really putting the kaibosh on my system. It sounds good but needs to sound great. It seems to have moments where I am blown away by certain tracks so I know the potential is there. I saw an article from Eric Stevens (owner of ID) and he used a supertweeter and have been dying to try integrating them with the horns. I'll try to find the article. He was using TAD's to get the job done but a tweeter that is 105db 1w/1m should be up to the task. The problem is the sonic speed and dynamics of the horns are a hard act to follow.. Quote 2005 Ford Focus zx4 AMT's and Planars 18" Infinite baffle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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