Let's talk cops

[Broke_Audio_Addict]

So you're a individual who subscribes to a belief with others?

Doesn't that make you a group?

Also what you're saying is you recognize that everyone thinks and wants different things but you're failing to register that most don't want what you do or share your beliefs.

Nothing wrong with being a part of a group bro. But, being a part of a group doesn't mean that group is necessarily organized. Anarchists come in a lot of flavors and some of us are more socialist thinking, just like statists. I'm an anarcho capitalist who lives by the non agression principle. I do not use violence or coercion in any way against anyone and I do not condone the use of violence in any instance other than self defense. I won't make you do anything and I won't deny your right to do anything so long as you do no one else any harm in doing it.

And I fully understand that others don't want what I want. However, what you want causes my property to be stolen, my person to possibly be thrown in a cage for doing something you don't like or not doing something you want me to do.

If you don't want to be an anarchist, I'm fine with that. But don't send the cops to my house to extort money from me so you can pay for the things you think government should do for you.

When is the last time police came to your house and extorted you?

[bbeljefe]

No, I'm not. I'm a philosophical libertarian. There's a difference in that you're referencing the political party. I was once a card carrying Libertarian but I no longer support the state in any way shape or form whatever.

So you're a Libertarian? Well that explains all of this then..

But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on libertarianism if you can formulate a cogent argument against it. Other than that, your ad hominem, passive aggressive insults don't do much to shore up your argument. ;-)

Well from the looks of it your view do not differ very much from the political party. I do have a question that I have been wondering about. If you would rather there be little to no government, then what would become of the military?

I don't have any problem with defense but what the US military does now and has been doing for at least the past 70 years is nothing short of bullying other people around the world. There is no need at all for there to be over 700 military basis outside the US and there is no reason for the US to interject in the affairs of other people. Even when the US sends military into another country to "protect" that other country's citizenry from an oppressive government, the end result is the mass murder of untold numbers of innocent individuals.

Moreover, if you actually do some research into the facts surrounding the last 7 decades of US military actions, most of the dictators it purports to be protecting people from were actually puppets who were installed by the US at one point or another.

Take for instance the 911 attacks. Most people think that event was some spontaneous, initiated aggression by a random group of militant psychopaths but the reality is that the US government has been meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries for decades. People in those areas grow up with US military bases all around them and they see the death and destruction caused by that occupation.

Truth be told, you and I have more in common with an Iraqi farmer than we do with the "leaders" of the US. Likewise with the farmer... he has more in common with us than he does with the "leaders" of his country. Yet he and us are told by our political masters that it is each other we should fear when in truth, it is those who claim to lead us who are causing ALL of these problems.

In short, I defend my home from within. I do not go to my neighbor's house and attempt to micromanage his activities under the pretense that I'm there to protect my home. I don't care that he may worship some invisible skyghost and I don't care that he may consume certain drugs or have sex with someone of his own gender. I only care that he refrain from harming others in his endeavors. And any true defensive militia would be doing the same and nothing more.

[Jhunt94]

No, I'm not. I'm a philosophical libertarian. There's a difference in that you're referencing the political party. I was once a card carrying Libertarian but I no longer support the state in any way shape or form whatever.

So you're a Libertarian? Well that explains all of this then..

But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on libertarianism if you can formulate a cogent argument against it. Other than that, your ad hominem, passive aggressive insults don't do much to shore up your argument. ;-)

Well from the looks of it your view do not differ very much from the political party. I do have a question that I have been wondering about. If you would rather there be little to no government, then what would become of the military?

I don't have any problem with defense but what the US military does now and has been doing for at least the past 70 years is nothing short of bullying other people around the world. There is no need at all for there to be over 700 military basis outside the US and there is no reason for the US to interject in the affairs of other people. Even when the US sends military into another country to "protect" that other country's citizenry from an oppressive government, the end result is the mass murder of untold numbers of innocent individuals.

Moreover, if you actually do some research into the facts surrounding the last 7 decades of US military actions, most of the dictators it purports to be protecting people from were actually puppets who were installed by the US at one point or another.

Take for instance the 911 attacks. Most people think that event was some spontaneous, initiated aggression by a random group of militant psychopaths but the reality is that the US government has been meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries for decades. People in those areas grow up with US military bases all around them and they see the death and destruction caused by that occupation.

Truth be told, you and I have more in common with an Iraqi farmer than we do with the "leaders" of the US. Likewise with the farmer... he has more in common with us than he does with the "leaders" of his country. Yet he and us are told by our political masters that it is each other we should fear when in truth, it is those who claim to lead us who are causing ALL of these problems.

In short, I defend my home from within. I do not go to my neighbor's house and attempt to micromanage his activities under the pretense that I'm there to protect my home. I don't care that he may worship some invisible skyghost and I don't care that he may consume certain drugs or have sex with someone of his own gender. I only care that he refrain from harming others in his endeavors. And any true defensive militia would be doing the same and nothing more.

Good Lord, ask a simple question and get a history lesson. Still didn't really answer my question though.

[Jhunt94]

No, I'm not. I'm a philosophical libertarian. There's a difference in that you're referencing the political party. I was once a card carrying Libertarian but I no longer support the state in any way shape or form whatever.

So you're a Libertarian? Well that explains all of this then..

But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on libertarianism if you can formulate a cogent argument against it. Other than that, your ad hominem, passive aggressive insults don't do much to shore up your argument. ;-)

Well from the looks of it your view do not differ very much from the political party. I do have a question that I have been wondering about. If you would rather there be little to no government, then what would become of the military?

I don't have any problem with defense but what the US military does now and has been doing for at least the past 70 years is nothing short of bullying other people around the world. There is no need at all for there to be over 700 military basis outside the US and there is no reason for the US to interject in the affairs of other people. Even when the US sends military into another country to "protect" that other country's citizenry from an oppressive government, the end result is the mass murder of untold numbers of innocent individuals.

Moreover, if you actually do some research into the facts surrounding the last 7 decades of US military actions, most of the dictators it purports to be protecting people from were actually puppets who were installed by the US at one point or another.

Take for instance the 911 attacks. Most people think that event was some spontaneous, initiated aggression by a random group of militant psychopaths but the reality is that the US government has been meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries for decades. People in those areas grow up with US military bases all around them and they see the death and destruction caused by that occupation.

Truth be told, you and I have more in common with an Iraqi farmer than we do with the "leaders" of the US. Likewise with the farmer... he has more in common with us than he does with the "leaders" of his country. Yet he and us are told by our political masters that it is each other we should fear when in truth, it is those who claim to lead us who are causing ALL of these problems.

In short, I defend my home from within. I do not go to my neighbor's house and attempt to micromanage his activities under the pretense that I'm there to protect my home. I don't care that he may worship some invisible skyghost and I don't care that he may consume certain drugs or have sex with someone of his own gender. I only care that he refrain from harming others in his endeavors. And any true defensive militia would be doing the same and nothing more.

Good Lord, ask a simple question and get a history lesson. Still didn't really answer my question though.

or atleast not exactly what I was looking for.

[bbeljefe]

So you're a individual who subscribes to a belief with others?

Doesn't that make you a group?

Also what you're saying is you recognize that everyone thinks and wants different things but you're failing to register that most don't want what you do or share your beliefs.

Nothing wrong with being a part of a group bro. But, being a part of a group doesn't mean that group is necessarily organized. Anarchists come in a lot of flavors and some of us are more socialist thinking, just like statists. I'm an anarcho capitalist who lives by the non agression principle. I do not use violence or coercion in any way against anyone and I do not condone the use of violence in any instance other than self defense. I won't make you do anything and I won't deny your right to do anything so long as you do no one else any harm in doing it.

And I fully understand that others don't want what I want. However, what you want causes my property to be stolen, my person to possibly be thrown in a cage for doing something you don't like or not doing something you want me to do.

If you don't want to be an anarchist, I'm fine with that. But don't send the cops to my house to extort money from me so you can pay for the things you think government should do for you.

When is the last time police came to your house and extorted you?

They haven't, because I hand over the money that's demanded of me by the state. However, if you doubt what I'm saying then do this....

Don't pay your property taxes. Ignore the letters they send you demanding payment. Then ignore the court summons they send you. Then, when they send men in blue costumes to get you, defend your property exactly as you would defend any other home invasion and see if you aren't shot dead in your front doorway.

In their simplest and most basic form, all laws are simple opinions backed up with a gun. They are an explicit threat of murder, since the ultimate end result of not obeying them is to kill you.

It doesn't matter that it seldom ever comes to that and it doesn't matter that police may or may not actually want to do that to you. It only matters that that is the real end result, should someone refuse to obey.

For instance, if I catch you walking in the street at night, approach you and demand your wallet, will you give it to me? What if I tell you I have a gun? Or what if I show you the gun? What if I don't have to show you the gun but you hand me your wallet anyway? If the last, does that mean no crime has been committed? After all, I didn't shoot you. You handed over your wallet freely and of your own volition, right?

[bbeljefe]

No, I'm not. I'm a philosophical libertarian. There's a difference in that you're referencing the political party. I was once a card carrying Libertarian but I no longer support the state in any way shape or form whatever.

So you're a Libertarian? Well that explains all of this then..

But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on libertarianism if you can formulate a cogent argument against it. Other than that, your ad hominem, passive aggressive insults don't do much to shore up your argument. ;-)

Well from the looks of it your view do not differ very much from the political party. I do have a question that I have been wondering about. If you would rather there be little to no government, then what would become of the military?

I don't have any problem with defense but what the US military does now and has been doing for at least the past 70 years is nothing short of bullying other people around the world. There is no need at all for there to be over 700 military basis outside the US and there is no reason for the US to interject in the affairs of other people. Even when the US sends military into another country to "protect" that other country's citizenry from an oppressive government, the end result is the mass murder of untold numbers of innocent individuals.

Moreover, if you actually do some research into the facts surrounding the last 7 decades of US military actions, most of the dictators it purports to be protecting people from were actually puppets who were installed by the US at one point or another.

Take for instance the 911 attacks. Most people think that event was some spontaneous, initiated aggression by a random group of militant psychopaths but the reality is that the US government has been meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries for decades. People in those areas grow up with US military bases all around them and they see the death and destruction caused by that occupation.

Truth be told, you and I have more in common with an Iraqi farmer than we do with the "leaders" of the US. Likewise with the farmer... he has more in common with us than he does with the "leaders" of his country. Yet he and us are told by our political masters that it is each other we should fear when in truth, it is those who claim to lead us who are causing ALL of these problems.

In short, I defend my home from within. I do not go to my neighbor's house and attempt to micromanage his activities under the pretense that I'm there to protect my home. I don't care that he may worship some invisible skyghost and I don't care that he may consume certain drugs or have sex with someone of his own gender. I only care that he refrain from harming others in his endeavors. And any true defensive militia would be doing the same and nothing more.

Good Lord, ask a simple question and get a history lesson. Still didn't really answer my question though.

I don't care what becomes of it. And I don't claim to know what should be done to defend any specific spot of land. I'm a car audio guy, not a defense expert and I trust that there are a lot of smart people out there who have some really good ideas of how defense should work. If presented the opportunity, I would research those different companies and support the one with the best & most peaceful strategy with my money.

[Broke_Audio_Addict]

Private defense companies are a worse idea than a government run one.

[Jhunt94]

No, I'm not. I'm a philosophical libertarian. There's a difference in that you're referencing the political party. I was once a card carrying Libertarian but I no longer support the state in any way shape or form whatever.

So you're a Libertarian? Well that explains all of this then..

But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on libertarianism if you can formulate a cogent argument against it. Other than that, your ad hominem, passive aggressive insults don't do much to shore up your argument. ;-)

Well from the looks of it your view do not differ very much from the political party. I do have a question that I have been wondering about. If you would rather there be little to no government, then what would become of the military?

I don't have any problem with defense but what the US military does now and has been doing for at least the past 70 years is nothing short of bullying other people around the world. There is no need at all for there to be over 700 military basis outside the US and there is no reason for the US to interject in the affairs of other people. Even when the US sends military into another country to "protect" that other country's citizenry from an oppressive government, the end result is the mass murder of untold numbers of innocent individuals.

Moreover, if you actually do some research into the facts surrounding the last 7 decades of US military actions, most of the dictators it purports to be protecting people from were actually puppets who were installed by the US at one point or another.

Take for instance the 911 attacks. Most people think that event was some spontaneous, initiated aggression by a random group of militant psychopaths but the reality is that the US government has been meddling in the affairs of middle eastern countries for decades. People in those areas grow up with US military bases all around them and they see the death and destruction caused by that occupation.

Truth be told, you and I have more in common with an Iraqi farmer than we do with the "leaders" of the US. Likewise with the farmer... he has more in common with us than he does with the "leaders" of his country. Yet he and us are told by our political masters that it is each other we should fear when in truth, it is those who claim to lead us who are causing ALL of these problems.

In short, I defend my home from within. I do not go to my neighbor's house and attempt to micromanage his activities under the pretense that I'm there to protect my home. I don't care that he may worship some invisible skyghost and I don't care that he may consume certain drugs or have sex with someone of his own gender. I only care that he refrain from harming others in his endeavors. And any true defensive militia would be doing the same and nothing more.

Good Lord, ask a simple question and get a history lesson. Still didn't really answer my question though.

I don't care what becomes of it. And I don't claim to know what should be done to defend any specific spot of land. I'm a car audio guy, not a defense expert and I trust that there are a lot of smart people out there who have some really good ideas of how defense should work. If presented the opportunity, I would research those different companies and support the one with the best & most peaceful strategy with my money.

I feel as though we could both type responses on a keyboard until our fingers were numb, but me nor anyone will ever be able to give a good enough response for you to give your opinion a second thought. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't lose many arguments, because even when you're wrong, you are still right.

[bbeljefe]

Private defense companies are a worse idea than a government run one.

Well then if that's the case I'm sure you have some argument to support your claim.

You know, I can make any general and random statement about anything I like but if I don't have an argument to back it up, should I expect anyone to take that statement as truth?

[Christian Cherniss]

LOL Oh no's it's a troll thread must run... People that think cops are doing their jobs go about their lives. People that support criminals, hate America or think it's all a master plot to get them are against cops and the military nothing new.