Deafdreamz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 hybrid amps are laughable at best.... yea they can power all that shit but what ppl don't get is once its caps are empty its nothing more then a 3000 watt amp that costs 25k. and btw.... rockford was not the first to do this.... carver did it a long time ago and realized it wasn't for the average user.... 30 second bursts are fine.... all day long? not gonna happen EDIT: almost forgot... output according to that chart doesn't really change.... you still figure it out the same. Thats a double negative. The caps recharge when the amp is running just like normal caps, you still have to have battieries to back it up. Yes the output does change because with the caps it takes less power in and buts more out. its using the caps for power rather then just your electrical. Car-96 blazer 4 door Amp- Us-Amps M2D2 Front stage- Infinity Reference Comps 6.5 Subs- Undecided open to all offers and opinions You had to have it all Have you had enough You greedy little bastard You get what deserved When all is said and done I will be the one To leave you in your misery and hate what you have become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker Guy Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 and that would change the output voltage how? Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Sub Amp:American Bass VFL 500.1 Subs: 4 Fi BL 18's Enclosure:21.5 Cubic foot flat wall tuned to 40 hz Batteries: 3 Kinetik 2400's in the back, Kinetik 1200 under hood. Mids & Highs: 4 Kicker DS 6.5 coax in doors, 2 Kicker DS coax in pillars Highs Amp: Kicker kx250.2, kx100.2 Wire: 4 Runs 1/0 gauge Knukonceptz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafdreamz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 and that would change the output voltage how? i meant input thats my bad. Car-96 blazer 4 door Amp- Us-Amps M2D2 Front stage- Infinity Reference Comps 6.5 Subs- Undecided open to all offers and opinions You had to have it all Have you had enough You greedy little bastard You get what deserved When all is said and done I will be the one To leave you in your misery and hate what you have become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker Guy Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Ok and yes the input is different, but when you are only drawing 300 amps of current.... how is it suppose to recharge the caps and keep the amp playing 15k watts? Thats the flaw with these amps. Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Sub Amp:American Bass VFL 500.1 Subs: 4 Fi BL 18's Enclosure:21.5 Cubic foot flat wall tuned to 40 hz Batteries: 3 Kinetik 2400's in the back, Kinetik 1200 under hood. Mids & Highs: 4 Kicker DS 6.5 coax in doors, 2 Kicker DS coax in pillars Highs Amp: Kicker kx250.2, kx100.2 Wire: 4 Runs 1/0 gauge Knukonceptz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafdreamz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The caps are only gonna give it what it needs and take in at the same time to refill it, if you go in with a charged cap it will keep it 80% charged at all times with the input voltage still coming in off the batts and alternator. Car-96 blazer 4 door Amp- Us-Amps M2D2 Front stage- Infinity Reference Comps 6.5 Subs- Undecided open to all offers and opinions You had to have it all Have you had enough You greedy little bastard You get what deserved When all is said and done I will be the one To leave you in your misery and hate what you have become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 this is interesting. i dno enough about these hybrid amps to butt in...but keep going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker Guy Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Yes that also true.... u knew this was coming.... BUT that can not happen with a 12 volt system and the amp needs over 70 volts to produce its power.... so once the caps run dry its a clipped to hell 3k amp Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Sub Amp:American Bass VFL 500.1 Subs: 4 Fi BL 18's Enclosure:21.5 Cubic foot flat wall tuned to 40 hz Batteries: 3 Kinetik 2400's in the back, Kinetik 1200 under hood. Mids & Highs: 4 Kicker DS 6.5 coax in doors, 2 Kicker DS coax in pillars Highs Amp: Kicker kx250.2, kx100.2 Wire: 4 Runs 1/0 gauge Knukonceptz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafdreamz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Thats very true, thats why any1 that uses it runs more then 12volts Car-96 blazer 4 door Amp- Us-Amps M2D2 Front stage- Infinity Reference Comps 6.5 Subs- Undecided open to all offers and opinions You had to have it all Have you had enough You greedy little bastard You get what deserved When all is said and done I will be the one To leave you in your misery and hate what you have become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker Guy Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 well 14 or 15 isn't going to cut it either.... and I haven't seen a 70 volt alt yet Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Sub Amp:American Bass VFL 500.1 Subs: 4 Fi BL 18's Enclosure:21.5 Cubic foot flat wall tuned to 40 hz Batteries: 3 Kinetik 2400's in the back, Kinetik 1200 under hood. Mids & Highs: 4 Kicker DS 6.5 coax in doors, 2 Kicker DS coax in pillars Highs Amp: Kicker kx250.2, kx100.2 Wire: 4 Runs 1/0 gauge Knukonceptz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafdreamz Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 It dosent need 70 volts read this very carefully. Someone on one of the posts mentioned something about I^2*R losses. They are referring to Ohm’s Law by saying that current squared times resistance = power, and in this case power lost. Let us take a case with any typical amplifier playing music or a sine wave burst for a period of time where half of the time is ‘loud’ and half is ‘quiet’, just to simplify the situation. Let us also pretend that during the ‘loud’ times the amplifier draws 1000 amps and during the quiet times it draws 0 amps. Let’s pretend for a moment that during a ‘loud’ time; 1000 amps of current are being pulled on a 12 volt system through a 10 foot run of 1/0 AWG cable. Standard resistance for this length of 1/0 AWG cable is about 0.0012 ohms. Using the formula above for power lost 1000 amps * 1000 amps * 0.0012 ohms = 1200 Watts!!! So during this ‘loud’ time 1200 watts of power is being lost on that cable alone, and of course during the ‘quiet’ time 0 watts of power is being lost since the current being drawn at that time is zero. Ok, with that said, half the time 1200 watts are being lost and half the time 0 watts are being lost, for an average loss of 600 watts. Car-96 blazer 4 door Amp- Us-Amps M2D2 Front stage- Infinity Reference Comps 6.5 Subs- Undecided open to all offers and opinions You had to have it all Have you had enough You greedy little bastard You get what deserved When all is said and done I will be the one To leave you in your misery and hate what you have become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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