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these are the best racing games to come out since formula 1 by EA sports, good graphics the race control is perfect. good on both systems xbox & ps2 i dont think they have set up a release dote for the new systems as far as i know, probly saving that for TOCA 4. i like the controler set up on xbox a little better but other than that its the same game. not for the arcade style racer and it kicks the living shit out of all the gran turismo series put toghether maybe not as many cars but more real tracks and real racing series to explore...if you like realistic racers give it a shot there is even a series with dirt bikes!

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Scratchy I just recieved Toca 3..I am gonna play it tonight..Don't know if I can get on the internet with it or not..I am gonna have to get my controller setup better...How far along with the game are you??

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