We Figured Him Out

[Namosh]

I'm going to stick to my political side. You remember what I said.... Politics is a game of what if. Unless you got a crystal ball to tell me the future, I'm just going to say it's something in our system that isn't right. You refuse to think that what we're doing is wrong. Err Wait... Typical of a southerner to want to make the first move and want to fight. The South started the Civil War, remember?

Like I said, politically, we're on the opposite sides of the spectrum.

Once again you need a little history lesson. Kansas is not a confederate state. Kansas was part of the union.

Typical elitist progressive attitude....Try to marginalize your opponent by claiming I'm a racist. Cheap tactic.

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Once again you need a little history lesson. Kansas is not a confederate state. Kansas was part of the union.

Typical elitist progressive attitude....Try to marginalize your opponent by claiming I'm a racist. Cheap tactic.

You should run for president. Solve our problems. Granted you'll never get elected because of the system we have for marketing and advertising our presidents... But I'll vote you for president.

You throw out a good game of historical facts, set out some things you would actually change. That's the whole thing. We've become such an inefficient system that we can't change a damn thing. We've made corporations so big that they cannot fail. We've made our military so big that it's a world target. We have a fucked up health care system, and we can't even change it because the health insurance companies are too big to fail. We're the only industrialized country in the world with a shitty health care system.... I'm not talking about our surgeons and doctors, I'm talking about the monetary situation. I could walk in the hospital, bleeding out and If I don't have the money or the insurance... They'll let me bleed out right on the floor of the waiting room. Imagine that.. Walk into a hospital and DIE on the floor all because of some green paper. They are obligated to take that paper over your LIFE.

Huge corporations are what really control the United States right now. They are the primary source of corruption.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I know a few things are for sure.... The corruption doesn't help, monopolies don't help, a huge army doesn't help, Welfare for people who don't need it doesn't help any financial situation in this country. I'll support the little guys of an industry all damn day. Small businesses have the best customer support and the best customer relations.

[Namosh]

Actually it is the law that an emergency room must provide stabilizing care no matter what. You are not going to go into an ER with a TRUE emergency and be turned away for not having insurance.

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Actually it is the law that an emergency room must provide stabilizing care no matter what. You are not going to go into an ER with a TRUE emergency and be turned away for not having insurance.

Stabilizing care?! LMAO.... What is that... Some super glue to close the wound? Walk into the hospital with a problem in any other industrialized country and money/ cards/ assets is the last thing on their mind. I'm not trying to toot the horns of other countries, but c'mon now.... Should money really be the issue when it comes to healthcare... If I walk in wounded, I want more than stabilizing care... Stabilizing care may as well be called beat around the bush health care. Better yet... I walk into the hospital with a badly broken arm... But I'm stable... That means they send me on my way. I could walk in with 3, 4, 5, major bones broken and still be stable.... And they would turn me away.... Or take my life earnings/ All my assets to fix me.

But you avoided the main question I asked you Namosh.

You throw out a good game of historical facts, set out some things you would actually change.

[ryde2idie]

this topic is going no where its just a big debate on who knows more about the world we live in. At the end of the day were all still in the same boat yelling at each other. Figure out whos the real enemy.

[Namosh]

Stabilizing care?! LMAO.... What is that... Some super glue to close the wound? Walk into the hospital with a problem in any other industrialized country and money/ cards/ assets is the last thing on their mind. I'm not trying to toot the horns of other countries, but c'mon now.... Should money really be the issue when it comes to healthcare... If I walk in wounded, I want more than stabilizing care... Stabilizing care may as well be called beat around the bush health care. Better yet... I walk into the hospital with a badly broken arm... But I'm stable... That means they send me on my way. I could walk in with 3, 4, 5, major bones broken and still be stable.... And they would turn me away.... Or take my life earnings/ All my assets to fix me.

But you avoided the main question I asked you Namosh.

You throw out a good game of historical facts, set out some things you would actually change.

First of...If you walk into a hospital with a broken bone. You are going to get the bone set and put in a cast regardless of whether or not you will pay for it. If you want a free room and a cup of jello, call your mom.

If I walk in wounded, I want more than stabilizing care...

Of course you do. That's what entitlement is. What else do you want given to you?

Walk into the hospital with a problem in any other industrialized country and money/ cards/ assets is the last thing on their mind.

Yep. They will put you on the waiting list for free. Come back in six weeks and we will look into those chest pains.

No one is saying that our system doesn't need fixing. But this just isn't the way.

Here's one thing that I think should be done.

A huge reason health care is so expensive is because everybody is so eager to sue for everything. Doctors have to pay huge premiums for malpractice insurance. This cost has to be passed on to the all the docs patients.

That is the first thing that should be addressed. They should put a stop to these frivolous lawsuits. It's called tort reform and it is not mentioned in the more than 2000 pages of Obama's plan. Why not? Doesn't that seem like an obvious thing to fix?

I don't claim to have all the answers but I know horribly wrong answers when I see them.

Here's the next one. After all citizens have health care there are still 20+ millions illegal aliens without health coverage. So what is Obama going to do? Give them citizenship. Give them health coverage. Take it out of my paycheck. Excuse me if I object.

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First of...If you walk into a hospital with a broken bone. You are going to get the bone set and put in a cast regardless of whether or not you will pay for it. If you want a free room and a cup of jello, call your mom.

If I walk in wounded, I want more than stabilizing care...

Of course you do. That's what entitlement is. What else do you want given to you?

Walk into the hospital with a problem in any other industrialized country and money/ cards/ assets is the last thing on their mind.

Yep. They will put you on the waiting list for free. Come back in six weeks and we will look into those chest pains.

No one is saying that our system doesn't need fixing. But this just isn't the way.

Here's one thing that I think should be done.

A huge reason health care is so expensive is because everybody is so eager to sue for everything. Doctors have to pay huge premiums for malpractice insurance. This cost has to be passed on to the all the docs patients.

That is the first thing that should be addressed. They should put a stop to these frivolous lawsuits. It's called tort reform and it is not mentioned in the more than 2000 pages of Obama's plan. Why not? Doesn't that seem like an obvious thing to fix?

I don't claim to have all the answers but I know horribly wrong answers when I see them.

Here's the next one. After all citizens have health care there are still 20+ millions illegal aliens without health coverage. So what is Obama going to do? Give them citizenship. Give them health coverage. Take it out of my paycheck. Excuse me if I object.

There's a difference between a badly broken bone and a broken bone.

I'll give you this example because it's real life... and it happened within the last 30 days. My dad's buddy was down in a different part of the state, about 400 miles away from 'home'. He was doing some contracting and was on a ladder, two stories up. He reached for a tool on the roof, slipped and fell down two stories. He broke one of his wrists badly, broke another wrist, and fractured his ankle. This guy was stuck. He sat in a house for a week before having a family member drive him back up North to get the help he needed. The reason he sat is because his insurance would not approve him once he was already in the hospital seeking care. How are you going to drive home with two broken wrists? How are you going to carry luggage into the airport? How are you going to unzip your pants to take a piss with two broken wrists? So you are BLATANTLY wrong Namosh.... He went to the hospital, stable with broken bones, and they sent him on his way. He left the hospital DENIED AND UNTOUCHED with 3 broken bones.

You call my claims way out there, but you're too afraid to post yours. You do a damn good job of criticizing mine though. I promise you, you put out claims... I'll be doing research - finding facts, fallacies, or objections to go with or against your claim. I'm a college student, that's what I do. Google sits here at the tip of my fingers and I'm doing what I can to learn. School me better than my College education can... Or any of my liberal professors can, so I can be that one student to keep them on their toes. Hey, I'll admit... My history may not be spot on... But the concepts are the most important part of history. Not the dates, not who hit who... It's the concepts.

How WOULD YOU fix what's going on.

So far I obtain two things from you:

1) Stay at war

2) Get rid of some medical lawsuits

I can tell you for damn sure, Obama could give me something more than that. School me... My mind is open. I'm not in this to start a flame war... I'm in this because I think that there's something that could possibly benefit from what you have to say. When it comes to history, you're obviously spot on.

[EricR]

I've gotta' challenge you there bud. Why can't one person change it? Why can't a handful of individuals change the entire world? Look at how small this country started and how many "Founding Fathers" there were and what they turned this United Stated into. Look what they declared independence from: A country with A King. Look at how much "Change we can believe in" we have gotten from one man and his buddies Pelosi, Reed, and so on....

It is corny but- if it is to be, it is up to me. It only takes one.

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[USAMPFREAK]

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” – The Declaration of Independence 1776

[Namosh]

You call my claims way out there, but you're too afraid to post yours. You do a damn good job of criticizing mine though. I promise you, you put out claims... I'll be doing research - finding facts, fallacies, or objections to go with or against your claim. I'm a college student, that's what I do. Google sits here at the tip of my fingers and I'm doing what I can to learn. School me better than my College education can... Or any of my liberal professors can, so I can be that one student to keep them on their toes. Hey, I'll admit... My history may not be spot on... But the concepts are the most important part of history. Not the dates, not who hit who... It's the concepts.

How WOULD YOU fix what's going on.

So far I obtain two things from you:

1) Stay at war

2) Get rid of some medical lawsuits

I can tell you for damn sure, Obama could give me something more than that. School me... My mind is open. I'm not in this to start a flame war... I'm in this because I think that there's something that could possibly benefit from what you have to say. When it comes to history, you're obviously spot on.

I've already said I don't have all the answers. I can tell you this...None of my ideas would be with the purpose of giving anyone FREE health care. Health care is a commodity, not a right. I would like health care to be affordable to everyone who is willing to be responsible. I am morally opposed to entitlements. I don't have health care from my job so I buy my own. Why should I have to pay for health care for everybody who doesn't want to take care of themself?

I also paid every damn cent of my college debts. I suppose you know that the government now wants ALL student loans to be handled by the government and that if you can't pay them off, they will just write it off. Who do you think is paying for that??? Taxpayers...ME!

This has ran it's course. I know you have been brainwashed into thinking that Fox news is the enemy but if you are serious about hearing both sides of this, you should check it out some time. Since they don't have Obama's nuts in their mouth, they can actually report the news without manipulating it.

Oh, and find out what books your professors don't want you to read...and then read one.