basshead4life Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 WOW. Decaf has some aggression issues then. Let me see if I can simplify this for you, even though you don't deserve it but others do: an amplifier will put out a nice, smooth wave until it is driven into clipping. The signal at the inputs may be clipped, and the scope may reflect the clipped signal, but the amplifier will not produce DC voltage until the amplifier outputs clip. As I stated before, if you drive your AMP to clip because of the increase in signal voltage from a clipped signal, then the amp will clip. But you will not damage a driver or amplifier because of clipped signal input. I frankly don't care whose crap you have bought into, or what issues you have that make you so hostile and closed-minded. It doesn't change reality just because you get upset. the amplifier takes the input wave (say 4V) and amplifys it to say 40V. now if your gains are set right, and you put in a nice smooth wave at 4V you get the same nice wave at 40V. notice it wil be the EXACT same wave just bigger. so if you put in a 4V clipped signal you get a 40V clipped signal because again its the EXACT SAME WAVE! Quote Team S.M.D. Maritime Car Audio- (2) 18" SSA ZCON D1 - American Bass 500.1 - 60 ft of 3/0 -480 Ah of battery - (2) stock alternators (70 +90) - Kenwood Excelon x-794, 4v preouts car audio is just a LOT more complicated than "this amp does this power" or "this sub will be this loud". its like 2 + 2 = banana. (if that confuses you then you get the point) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISO Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Ya you have to drive your amp into clipping. If your sending a dirty signal (clipped signal)your amp is still going to act normal but put out a shittier sound but untill its pushed to its limits then its not going to put out damaging power to your subs. I personally like a little bit of a clipped signal on my subs. Quote Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one. "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Destruction of a person builds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISO Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 the amplifier takes the input wave (say 4V) and amplifys it to say 40V. now if your gains are set right, and you put in a nice smooth wave at 4V you get the same nice wave at 40V. notice it wil be the EXACT same wave just bigger. so if you put in a 4V clipped signal you get a 40V clipped signal because again its the EXACT SAME WAVE! Yes put you need to look at an amp like its, its own component. Really look at how an amp works. Why is the clipped signal sending damaging power out of the amp if the output section is not being pushed to its limits? Quote Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one. "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Destruction of a person builds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decaf Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) WOW. Decaf has some aggression issues then. Let me see if I can simplify this for you, even though you don't deserve it but others do: an amplifier will put out a nice, smooth wave until it is driven into clipping. The signal at the inputs may be clipped, and the scope may reflect the clipped signal, but the amplifier will not produce DC voltage until the amplifier outputs clip. As I stated before, if you drive your AMP to clip because of the increase in signal voltage from a clipped signal, then the amp will clip. But you will not damage a driver or amplifier because of clipped signal input. I frankly don't care whose crap you have bought into, or what issues you have that make you so hostile and closed-minded. It doesn't change reality just because you get upset. o geez, did u get ur butt hurt, lol its cool tho, ill steadily produce the loudest cleanest music i can find because i dont believe any clipping beyond 100ths of second is worth it Ya you have to drive your amp into clipping. If your sending a dirty signal (clipped signal)your amp is still going to act normal but put out a shittier sound but untill its pushed to its limits then its not going to put out damaging power to your subs. I personally like a little bit of a clipped signal on my subs. ok then let me give u a 50hz clipped sine wave to set ur gains, if it doesnt matter what the signal looks like then it shouldnt matter right? i like pushing things to the point of clippin, but rarely if ever beyond that o and the answer is that the amp will produce dc voltage it might not be a gigantic amount, but its there and sounds like poopoo Edited March 25, 2010 by Decaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaster Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 ISO is right on: I don't give a damn about your clipped music, decaf. An amplifier will not spit DC until it is clipping its output. Yes, the input and output waveforms will be the same on a scope. But you are not producing DC until that amplifier output stage is clipping. And no lol, I don't even know what the he'll butt hurt is, but I know that with your attitude, you will never learn anything else. You already know it all. Quote Former USAC Director MECP Certified First Class of 1997 First car in the world to register 150db from the dash and sealed, in the trunk of an escort, with 2 10 inch subs. In 1997: http://audioforum.termpro.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=51;t=002600 Just my part in the modern development of SPL competition:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISO Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Decaf they actually give us Clipped test tones on our official DB Drag competition discs to play with. Like test tones that have 50% clipped signal to burp with for testing man and you know how big and expensive these DB Drag vehicles are, they are not going to give you something that is going to destroy you DB Drag Vehicle. Quote Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one. "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Destruction of a person builds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basshead4life Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) click this link ok say both of the are your input signal both are 4V your amps is going to put both up to 40V then out to the subs. tell me how does the amp make that signal on the right not clipped. Edited March 25, 2010 by basshead4life Quote Team S.M.D. Maritime Car Audio- (2) 18" SSA ZCON D1 - American Bass 500.1 - 60 ft of 3/0 -480 Ah of battery - (2) stock alternators (70 +90) - Kenwood Excelon x-794, 4v preouts car audio is just a LOT more complicated than "this amp does this power" or "this sub will be this loud". its like 2 + 2 = banana. (if that confuses you then you get the point) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decaf Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 ISO is right on: I don't give a damn about your clipped music, decaf. An amplifier will not spit DC until it is clipping its output. Yes, the input and output waveforms will be the same on a scope. But you are not producing DC until that amplifier output stage is clipping. And no lol, I don't even know what the he'll butt hurt is, but I know that with your attitude, you will never learn anything else. You already know it all. who said i had any clippage, im clean bro i understand what u are sayin... my point is moreso that we all push things to the limit our headunit volume, or eq settings, our gains... so the second u introduce a bunch a crappy producers music u can easily heat things up fast and drive that amps signal into clipping since it was set just a few clicks before clipping i never get bothered by all this online stuff, too hard to convey the conversation the same way it would happen if both people were lookin at eachother or hearin voices... no harm done Decaf they actually give us Clipped test tones on our official DB Drag competition discs to play with. Like test tones that have 50% clipped signal to burp with for testing man and you know how big and expensive these DB Drag vehicles are, they are not going to give you something that is going to destroy you DB Drag Vehicle. because they play tones for 3 seconds, or enough time for the TL to cycle thru and compound the pressure thats why i kept mentioning MUSIC, which we play for extended time, at max levels... so its perfectly reasonable to suggest not to play music u know full well is going to create more heat than necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaster Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 You're right about conveying what you mean decaf. No harm done here. They use a clipped signal in db drag because you hold the waveform longer. A clipped signal is actually 5-10 percent LESS voltage than a clean waveform. Quote Former USAC Director MECP Certified First Class of 1997 First car in the world to register 150db from the dash and sealed, in the trunk of an escort, with 2 10 inch subs. In 1997: http://audioforum.termpro.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=51;t=002600 Just my part in the modern development of SPL competition:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmamtower Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 open your arms as far as you can, thats how bad clipping is : ) Quote apparently you dont get the fact that the subaru was wrapped around a pole. and by the status of your comment, im guessing your mouth is too. Vehicle: 1997 Honda Civic EX Exterior: 55w 5k Headlights and 35w 3k JDM Fogs. Lowered. Sittin on steelies right now Amplifiers: Rockford Fosgate P450.4 Batteries: Kinetik HC 800 Electrical: Big 3 in 1/0 Enclosure: n/a : ( Headunit: Clarion VZ409 Mids/Highs: Pheonix Gold Rsd6.5's in the Front Doors Subwoofers: n/a : ( Wire: Knukoncepts 1/0 and 4g Future Upgrades: 20% tint all around, GC/Koni coilovers, body work (fml) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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