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Seems it was a pretty hot topic so more information on it now.

The market I am targeting is retail dealers -- the products this amp will compete with are primarily items from Memphis, Alpine, JL, Rockford, etc.

SAE-500D prototype size not counting power terminals and RCA connectors is only 9.5" wide x 1 7/8" tall x 9" long -- this will vary a bit when we tool our actual case but will be quite similar.

Cost will be $200.00 from an authorized dealer.

Comparison to products in direct competition from authorized online sources :

Memphis (1 ohm / 60-amp fusing) : $339.99
7.83 x 1.85 x 11.45
Memphis 16-PR1X500

JL (Class A/B / 2 ohms / 60-amp fusing): $299.99
14" x 2-1/8" x 7-11/16"
JL JLx500/1

Alpine (2 ohm amp / 60-amp fusing): $199.99
10-5/8" x 2-3/8" x 9-9/16"

Alpine MRP-M500

Rockford (1 ohm / 80-amp fusing): $359.99
7-5/8" x 2-1/4" x 10-1/4"
Rockford P500-1BD

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This thing is a little beast of an amp! I am using my Extech Power clamp meter as usual :

380976 - Single Phase/Three Phase 1000A AC Power Clamp Meter

The results as follows -- simply a wide open test so therefore there is going to be clipping present. I am just getting an idea for what it can handle as far as abuse and what the maximum level of power that it can make without regards to THD.

1 ohm nominal - 60 Hz (two NS v.1 in ported box)
740 watts
40 v
18.5 A
2.16 ohms

0.5 nominal - 50 Hz (free air on Monster prototype v.1)
860 watts
36.5 v
23.56 A
1.54 ohms
Current Draw : 80 Amps on the dot
Voltage Drop : 14.6v to 14.0 v
Efficiency @ 14v : 76.7%

I made within a few % of 860 watts anywhere from 50-60 Hz on the test woofer.

I was pretty impressed by it... ran quite a bit of testing on it wide open like this without ever hitting protect mode on the amp or over-heating it.

So I am confident that 500-watts is a good, conservative rating for it at a reasonable THD.

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pretty dope seems like you got a retail monster on your hands...and if its anything like previous SD amps it'll do more than rated

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Good stuff! Any chance of a 4 channel amp that small?

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Looks like a nice little amp, going to be great for the people wanting something simple.

I spy a NS-1 :peepwall: can we have some gut shots/info on that :pardon:

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Looks like a nice little amp, going to be great for the people wanting something simple.

I spy a NS-1 :peepwall: can we have some gut shots/info on that :pardon:


^^ This.

May pick up one of these when I do the SA8 build for my buddy. :peepwall:

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Do you know if your building anything bigger than a SAZ-4500D in the future?

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Do you know if your building anything bigger than a SAZ-4500D in the future?

4500d is discontinued ..NS-1 will be replacing it

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Looks like a nice little amp, going to be great for the people wanting something simple.

I spy a NS-1 :peepwall: can we have some gut shots/info on that :pardon:


http://www.stevemead...otype-pictures/

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Not taking anything away from the NS-1 which is an awesome amp.....but this little guy, the SAE-500 will be epic in SOOO many ways. Can't wait for this to hit the shelf
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is that gonna be final design? :peepwall:

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I'm assuming this is 500w at 1 ohm?

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I'm assuming this is 500w at 1 ohm?


Yep!
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is that gonna be final design? :peepwall:


The case is not -- we'll tool one to look very similar to the SAX / SAZ designs.
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do you have a date on which this will be released to the public?

and is the power/ground 1/0 or 4 guage?

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Jake I'm happy to see you bring this amp out.

It should be quite popular to the average consumer and like I told you about my area, people are just looking for little upgrades and not big boom, big woofer systems. They want upgraded door speakers and a little bass added to that and that is it.

Little shops like I'm associated with, well we just aren't doing big things, just upgrade type stuff.

Do you think you will keep it down to 650 to 700 watts at 1.0 % distortion at 1 ohm?

No need to be bigger than that for a 500 watt amp.
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A cap is only good if you have 0 voltage loss and want to clean up the power at the peaks of the ripples..

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do you have a date on which this will be released to the public?

and is the power/ground 1/0 or 4 guage?

Dude why the hell would you want 1/0 on an amp this size?

Duh du du dum :nea:
Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one.

A cap is only good if you have 0 voltage loss and want to clean up the power at the peaks of the ripples..

Boon: Don't get hung up on specs like xmax. It's probably the third-most lied about spec, after power handling and sensitivity.

"Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go."

was the fact I won't get to find out whats going to happen tomorrow if I die today.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

The Destruction of a person builds character.

Hoo-Bangin' on the transformers
Getting my stalk on walk on "Skip skip"
Sack jacking purse snatching hoo-banging till I die
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do you have a date on which this will be released to the public?

and is the power/ground 1/0 or 4 guage?

Dude why the hell would you want 1/0 on an amp this size?

Duh du du dum :nea:


that's what i was gonna saw :yahoo:

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You mentioned strapping on little amps. Well Jacob look at it like this. You have a way to get 1000,2000, and 3000 watts into 2 ohm loads since you only offer those wattages at 1 ohm.

Just like I love the SAZ-1500v2 you got me but I'm not running it because I don't have a combination of woofers that I can use with it to get the power I need.

Everything I have boughten in the last 10 years have been optimized for 2 ohm amps and I have no money to buy any subs right now.

I wish you had a woofer trade in program. I have a set of woofers that have one hell of a motor that I don't want but they are SPL subs with fs at 50 hertz. (2 American Bass VFL 10's) (I only have a couple burps on them) (LOL and I can't find anyone that will buy them from me)

EDIT; How about a trade for 2 of your d4 SA 12s to use with my SAZ-1500v2 :)

Edited by ISO, 21 June 2011 - 06:59 AM.

Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one.

A cap is only good if you have 0 voltage loss and want to clean up the power at the peaks of the ripples..

Boon: Don't get hung up on specs like xmax. It's probably the third-most lied about spec, after power handling and sensitivity.

"Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go."

was the fact I won't get to find out whats going to happen tomorrow if I die today.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

The Destruction of a person builds character.

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Getting my stalk on walk on "Skip skip"
Sack jacking purse snatching hoo-banging till I die
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You mentioned strapping on little amps. Well Jacob look at it like this. You have a way to get 1000,2000, and 3000 watts into 2 ohm loads since you only offer those wattages at 1 ohm.

Just like I love the SAZ-1500v2 you got me but I'm not running it because I don't have a combination of woofers that I can use with it to get the power I need.

Everything I have boughten in the last 10 years have been optimized for 2 ohm amps and I have no money to buy any subs right now.

I wish you had a woofer trade in program. I have a set of woofers that have one hell of a motor that I don't want but they are SPL subs with fs at 50 hertz. (2 American Bass VFL 10's) (I only have a couple burps on them) (LOL and I can't find anyone that will buy them from me)

EDIT; How about a trade for 2 of your d4 SA 12s to use with my SAZ-1500v2 :)

cant u buy recone kits to make them suit your needs?
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