Nightshade

It's the same sub. Check the website next time before posting something that can be found there first.

They're one of my favorite bands. I've seen them several times and have pretty much all of their albums. They were signed by Skunk records which was the label that Sublime started to release their first album. If you like Slightly Stoopid check out the Expendables. They toured with Stoopid and were their opening act one year when I saw them. Ever since I've been hooked on them too.

Blue 1500, I'm not trying to do anything but tell you that if you need some help with a box design let me know. I have a single Nightshade 15 off of 2 saz2000d's that does over a 153 on the dash sealed at 52hz. The same setup will also do close to a 156 in the kick with the door open. I've had the Nightshades for over a year and have had several different boxes for them. I'm pretty sure I could design something for you that will break 150's with no issues off as little as 3K watts. Honestly here's the issue that I think it is for you. You have a truck that has a wall in it. You are tuned low as hell and have to burp super low to please your subs/box. Being that you have a truck does your setup get louder when you either have a door or windows rolled down? If so I know exactly what the problem is. I'll wait for you to answer first before I go any further.

Nice, but I don't think he's got enough power I'd like to see a pair of 4500's on the sub and have it not even break a sweat :

Both the Type R and Sundown Z are not legal woofers in the street stock category. The subs used in street stock must have a 2.5" voice coil at most and can not have a cast basket frame. The sub also must be manufactured to fit the guidelines and you may not modify a sub to make it fit said guidelines. So to run that back down for you the biggest sub that is legal for street stock would be a stamped steel basket woofer that has no larger than a 2.5" coil that comes exactly that way from it's manufacturer and is also mass produced by them for the public. Otherwise it is not legal for the class and you need to get some stuff that is.

Ouch! Damn I thought we were just kidding around here I'm not full of it at all, I speak the truf. Leave it to a west coaster to point the finger at someone else Really though what's your music score so far I'm just asking cause I'm curious is all? No more shots below the belt or I'll bring up the spl max cup Oh yeah and to the full of myself comment, you don't see anything in my sig that say something like this: only one to get a Drag and Bass Race KING OF mutha Fu*ckin CALI!!!!!!! or like this: I got the first ever Db Drag Slammin 160+ Sticker

Are you sure you just aren't trying to get a loan for yo audioz? Bills: Yes I would like to finance a wall in my car. Bank: You want to finance a what? Bills: A wall, you know for speakers. Bank: Get the hell out of my office! J/k man, but for some reason when I read the title I was thinking of you going into a bank and getting a loan for your wall project. Then I played the scene out in my head. Sorry it's been a lazy day and I'm going to leave for work soon. My mind is wandering quite a bit on pretty much anything right now.

Random ass vids FTW!!! When are you gonna put some shoes on and paint the Burb? I bet you might have some money to do so if you didn't recone perfectly good subs Really though what's the best that you've done on music so far? I've done a 151.3 in a bassrace run in my car with just 2 Nightshade 15's, 2 saz2000's, 2 XS Power D3100's, and an Iraggi 260 amp alt. I'm not trying to compare my setup with yours at all, I just wanted to share my info since it's pretty recent that I did that is all. It's not too shabby for a little Focus with the box being tuned to 37hz and peaking at 43hz. My 1 15 spl setup is louder on a burp than my daily which still burps a 151.9, but the 1 15 is around 1.4-1.5 louder. Strange huh? I know that has pretty much nothing to do with the topic at all, but we left the topic long ago.

Lol, I'm sure he's just trying to bust your balls. I mean hell, he's not the best at choosing amp companies either. Who runs Earthquake? Lol, maybe that was Kimo, but there's nothing wrong with SD until it catches Alpine's truck on fire for the second time. I remember saying something to him about the Stetsom amps not being very stable for daily and to watch out for them, and then I read the thread saying his shit got burnt up. It was an epic rofl for me. Alpine, I'm just messing with you don't be mad. I know under the right circumstances those amps are stable, about as stable as a three legged table.

^^^ I guess you can be thankful that your amps haven't caught fire this year, yet.... Lolz, I kid. Honestly though I had a teamate this year who's SD 12K failed time and time again along with about 6 8K's. He kept having issues with the output fets and when he would send the amp back he would get a completely different amp in return that was used You haven't had any issues with these yet have you? Do you run them below 1 ohm? If not then I would guess that's probably why, but Murilo told my team member it was completely safe to run his amp at .25 ohms for burps and it never held up more than a couple of burps without going up in smoke. You've had enough trouble with amps so I hope these are treating you well. If not I know of a place where the Sun goes Down that you can find all the power you'll ever need Edit: Oh yeah no cup this year, so I guess you were good. It was never you that was really in question about being naughty. It was the Grinch who stole the cup that everyone was mad about.

Burnt coils = teh coal in yo stockinz Looks like you've been naughty this year Alpine so expect them in yo sock on Christmas. :

How bout some burnt voice coils?

^^^Good to hear. Could you feel the suspension being any looser after you played some songs on them?

Really? I'm surprised you actually know how stiff that is I've never actually pushed in on the cone of one of the 1508's, but have heard a setup with 4 of them that does a 148 legal in a Navigator with 2 Lanzar 1400d's. For an 8" woofer it is in a class of it's own.

Please don't buy the JL ho box. It is okay but not worth all the money they charge for it. The W7 is a decent woofer but I have a hard time believing that a single 12 and 2K watts in that box could do a 150 on the dash. It may do a 150 in the kick with the door open, but no way on the dash sealed in a JL prefab with 2K watts. I could see that woofer and 2K watts doing a 150 in a custom ported box on a burp. I don't know the car that well, but from seeing them in person and also seeing the size box that Rob has in his car I'm sure you could fit 15's if you really wanted them, but it would be a better idea to run 10's or 12's. That way you aren't trying to fit bigger than you can and have no room for the enclosure to breathe. I had an issue like that in my ZX3 where a single 15 was louder than 2 cause the box was blocking the pressure from getting to the front of the car.

I bet you max that epic 160 out on a daily basis huh? You probably had an epic 150 and had to get rid of it cause it said max all the time I guess you are bout it then. Someone who rides around on a daily basis with a spl meter built into their dash is definately bout it

Whatever then Nate, you ain't bout it It's cool to drive around all the time with the volume knob turned to the right as far as you can. Shit I break that bitch off in my car so as soon as I turn the key I get a new hair style lol.

Your right not every company does break in their subs. It is important and should be done if you want to prolong the life of your woofers. I've never personally done it with the Nightshades cause I already told you that they do it some, but also I don't blast on them full tilt except once in a while. So they have time to break in by themselves before I go to a comp and beat them like they stole something. Like I said hook them up free air and play a 20hz tone on them at about 1/4 to 1/3 of your listening volume. They will handle the power just fine and will loosen up quicker that way then driving around listening to music with them in a box. Just make sure you don't bottom out the sub. I'm sure those AQ's can handle as much as a NS so I think you'll be just fine doing that. Don't blame me though if you turn it up too much and bottom it out cause I warned you about it.

Actually breaking in a subwoofer you are supposed to play low freq's to loosen up the suspension. A lot of Db Drag guys that I know use 20hz tones at low volume to loosen the suspension on their comp subs. Just make sure you keep the volume much lower than you would listening to it to start out with. Oh yeah they also play the subs free air too. It will allow the suspension to move more than it would putting it in an enclosure. I'm not bullshitting you here at all cause I know it may sound crazy, but every Nightshade that Jacob and Brandon build is tested free air with a Sundown 1500d on it with almost full power before they let it ship to the customer.

Your welcome. I used to get that all the time when I was installing for a living. I would get cars back that the guy would tell me that the amp would cut off at high volume but not low volume. I would check voltage up front first and if it was above 13 with the car on then I would go to the amp. I would check voltage there and 99% of the time it would be below 10 volts. Then it was on to the ground to see what the issue was. A lot of the time it would be some dumb ass using self tapping screws to ground right to the sheet metal and if you install for a living you know that's not what you want to see. Most of the time if I could reach a bolt I would just reground it, but if the wire was not long enough I would sell them some more ground wire and make money on labor and product. Unless it was my shop that made the mistake, but we were told that if we ever grounded with self tappers we would be responsible for any extra charges to the customer out of our pockets. Glad you figured it out man!!!!!!!

On top of what James said Sundown uses better quality components inside their amps. Also you are talking Chineese made amps(Hifonics) vs. Korean made Xenon amps(Sundown), and if you know anything about where amps are made you know the Korean made amps are some of the best most reliable amps in the world today. Also James mentioned the waranty and I'll elaborate on it a bit. With the saz line of amps if anything goes wrong with it at all and it's still under waranty you only pay $50 to get a brand new amp. You are not paying to get it fixed, you are sent a brand new unit. Also the customer service is the model for the rest to follow out there in the market. Hifonics has decent customer serivce but they are not on the same level as Sundown's loyality to their customers.

I would do that trade. Probably because I'm more of a fan of spl and loud bass in general. I haven't ever heard either of these subs in a sq install, but have heard both of them in spl installs. One was Carlton Price's Ranger with 6 of the 12's. It did sound pretty good, but I have to agree with James and CC that the Kicker subs don't have a lick of sq to offer. The setup I heard the X 18's in was Steve Mick's Astro van. Not really any sq at 160db on music, but I was still impressed with the bass output. I really think once you get over 145db sq goes out the window anyway unless you have a super clean amp that can make tons of power with almost no thd. Something like maybe the Rockford T15K on a bunch of LMS Ultra's could possibly have sq at 150+db, but that's not in most people's reach for a setup.

I would try and use a hook shaped pick tool to attempt to latch on to the wire and pull it out. I'm sure that Rob will be able to help you when he does the recone. That man has reconed more woofers than AQ themselves That dude blows shit up like it's his job and I'm sure that has happend to him at some time or another.

I got a Fi X 12 for my wife's car and that's pretty much it. I went on a shopping spree when the government gave us a $8000 check for buying a new home back in May. Actually we only spent $2500 and then put the rest in the savings account. I'm glad that's the way we did it cause times are still pretty tough and my job fucking sucks huge donkey cock

Run a multicell batt under the hood with two alts and you'll be fine. You can get a Battcap 8400 that would be equilivent to a pair of D3100's or get a CS9000. The CS9000 is a Cactus Sounds battery and is probably the baddest on planet earth of it's kind. They were used in most of the Street Max vehicles in DB Drag when multi's were allowed to be used. That would be a battey I would still run in NSPL since it's completely legal for me to do so. If I were wealthy that is. They cost around 2 grand brand new and finding them used is a bit of a chore. The Battcaps are easier to come by and are almost as good of a battery.