Nightshade

I bet Danny's sad that the box is much louder in your Expo then his Kia. I hope he gets that thing loud soon. He is so enthusastic about it and he deserves being loud. Looks good though and is there anyway you can play the 3500 at .25 ohms on music? That would be sweet for you to do to run in the featherweight class. Allthough I'm sure it's not going to be much more power than .5 ohms.

Also to give you a little info that I know of about the saz2000's. I've never run one at 1.5 but I have run them at .5 ohms. The most power I have seen at .5 ohms nominal and the impedence rising to 1.5 ohms the amps will make right around 2400 watts. So if you can keep your rise down you could easily make around 2K out of it with the nominal load at 1.5 ohms. More than likely you'll see almost double of the impedence that you start with so 3 ohms or so and the amp will still do a solid 1800+ there with no issues. If you have a stout electrical for it 2K shouldn't be an issue.

I'm in Greensboro North Carolina. I'm not sure where your at but just estimating that shipping will be around $30-$40 the amp I'm not going to even make as much as the guy on Craigslist at all.

Wow that box did turn out nice. I plan on taking a look at these when I go to visit Jake on Friday. I may end up replacing my 2 NS 15's in my daily setup with a pair of these and running a single NS V2 for burps. I guess it all depends on if Jake will let me throw one in the burp box and see how they react. If it does well I may just run one of these for burps until the V2 NS comes out and then buy another to run for daily. Anyway the box is great and the subs look like they are killing it in the video. Is that box that they're in one of the one's that you built for Danny's Kia?

For the hatch and doors I'd say that you'd probably need at least a bulk pack. That is 37sqft but you may end up needing more in the long run. I just placed an order with Ant for a trunk pack and 80 spl tiles. I plan on doing my doors, hatch floor, and hatch. I already have 20sqft as it is and will be doing a bit more when it's all said and done.

Why wouldn't he just buy mine for $520 shipped? He would then have to trust you to go out and talk to some guy from CL. To me that doesn't sound like that good of an idea, letting someone else have $500+ of my money and then have them ship me something when I could just buy it straight from the source for cheaper. Because I don't care where you are it will be more than $20 to ship him that amp. It costs more than $20 for me to ship one to Sundown and they are only an hour away from me, so my amp is cheaper and more than likely in better condition. To the op just remember if you want it the clock is counting down soon. I must have a payment on the amp no later than Thursday of next week if it is going to be sold. Otherwise you can contact Jacob at Sundown about buying it from him, but more than likely it will be more expensive from him.

I have one for $520 shipped if your interested. I will be trading it in next Friday though so it's pretty much a week out. I actually have two of them. Let me know but come next Friday they'll be gone.

I guess it's a bit hard for me to think that if you have the ability to do something with equiptment then why not do it. As far as it being too much power for the subs yes I guess so but I overpower every single speaker in my car. It all goes with the common sense issue. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt since he doesn't seem like he's got no sense at all. If he were making a thread that said will this be louder than that then I'd say just go to Walmart and buy your setup. He asked a well educated question and I gave him my HONEST opinion on what I would do if it were me. I would run either a saz3500d at .5 ohms or a pair of saz2000d's at .5 ohms each weather the woofer was a 600 watt sub or not. For example I am going Friday to get a pair of 3500's for my car and planning on trading in my pair of 2000's for them. Guess what I'm going to use them to power. A SINGLE Nightshade with dual 1 ohm coils. Can you guess how I'm gonna do it? I'm gonna strap the pair at .5 ohms so each amp see's .25 ohms. So that's going to be around 8K watts on a sub that has a rms of around 2K watts. This is what I would do, so like I said my honest opinion is what I gave him as long as he's responsible with it. I do want to note that I will not be playing music with the amps strapped at .5 ohms. However for daily I will be using a pair of Nightshades wired down to .5 ohms on each sub so they should be seeing around 3500 watts on music a piece. No big deal :D :D :D :D :D

Get them into trouble. Have you ever owned a Sundown saz amp? If not then I don't expect you to know how hard they are to break when you have some common sense while using it. I'm only suggesting something that the owner of the company does all the time. Jacob runs his amps even lower for burps at .25 ohms. Almost every member on Team Sundown runs their saz amps at .5 ohms for daily or burping. There are hundreds of people that do it. The thing that gets them into trouble is not having a stout enough electrical to support the amp. I have honestly never had an issue myself and I ran a pair of saz1500's at .5 ohms each off 1 battery and a stock alt not too long ago. The protection circuit is there for a reason and it works. I honestly don't know how some of the fools out there hurt these amps :01nocomment8so:

Are you honestly serious? Not to mention that if he were to purchase used Sundown amps from a private owner there is no waranty with the amp. So....... The saz line of amps are pretty much bullet proof anyway. I'm not going to say do it or not but let's just throw it out there in either situation. He has the option of 2 ohm or 4 ohm subs. Option 1, 4 dual 4 ohm subs at 1 ohm (not voiding waranty if purchased new cause Iso's being a baby about it) the best configuration here would be the pair of saz2000d's that I suggested. Each coil would be run in parallel and each set of subs in parallel to give you 1 ohm at each amp, thus providing a solid 1000 watts of power to each sub Option 2, 4 dual 2 ohm subs at 1 ohm This would give you the option of wiring each sub to 1 ohm. Then could wire each set of subs to 2 ohms and then the two sets parallel down to 1 ohm for the saz3500d. This would be less power and I still say run that bitch at .5 if you have at least 3 group 31 batteries. Now on to the efficiency remark. Again I will say are you serious? Have you ever even measured efficiency of an amp to begin with, do you even know how to? No because it doesn't matter at all as long as it puts out power.

Get yourself a Sundown saz3500d for those subs. I would then run the 4 dual 1's so you could wire each coil in series to get 4 2 ohm subs, then wire all 4 subs together in parallel to get a final impedence of .5 ohms. That is where that amp will do some serious power, probably right around 1K per sub at max power. That should work nicely and if you want to get crazy you could try a saz4500d but that would be over your budget of $1,000. Or if you want amps right now I'll sell you a pair of Sundown saz2000d's that are in very nice condition. They are rated at 2000 watts at 1 ohm and can be run down to .5 ohms as well. If you wanted to you could run the dual 2's still to get .5 ohms per amp and do a nice 1200 watts per sub that way. If your interested I'd do the pair of them shipped to you for $1050. Let me know cause I'm supposed to be trading them into Sundown on a pair of saz3500's next Friday. Edit: Woops, I didn't see that the sub wasn't offered in dual 1's like I suggested to run for a saz3500d. Instead you could just run the dual 4's to do the same thing. Except you would have to wire all the coils in parallel to 2 ohms per sub. Then wire each set of subs together to get 1 ohm, and then wire each set that are at 1 ohm together to get to .5 ohms. The suggestion for the dual 2's and a pair of saz2000d's is still right though.

Simon's mom is the man!!!

I know it's not 200 at idle but my Iraggi makes 198 at idle. Close enough if you ask me and I'm sure that quite possibly with a smaller pulley it would do the 200.

Welcome to Team Sundown. I am one of the members here in the US and have been on the team for a year and a half. If you ever need any help I'd be glad to lend a hand. I am a competitor in NSPL here in NC and the surround states, and I also compete in Db Drag for bassrace. I may try some spl in Db Drag this year if I can actually have a chance at going to world finals. I also run a 1 woofer setup that is very loud off of Sundown amps as well as the sub being a Nightshade. I can't wait for the Nightshade V2. I think that your 1 12 is the loudest single sa12 that I've ever seen and is amazing off such low power. What car is this in? Also are you running the amp at 2 ohms, and if so what kind of clamped power are you getting out of it?

The only real way to guarantee that that lights will not dim in a vehicle is to have an alt in the car that always puts out more amperage than what's being consumed by all the electrical components in the vehicle. That means that if you have a 200 amp alt and you turn the lights on that are 20 amps, turn the raido on that's 15 amps, have your heat or ac on which is 20 amps, maybe have a phone or ipod charging good for 5-10 amps, and then have the windshield wipers on for 25 amps, all while playing the system full tilt at a possible 120-150 amps max you are not producing enough amperage to meet all the needs of the electronics. If you aren't running all that stuff and the lights are still diming it is possible that the alt may not be putting out the rated power, your power wire running to the back is not large enough, you have a bad ground. Then there is something that some people get confused about. Even with a high output alt you can still get light flicker. What I mean is that even if you have enough amperage to meet all the requirements the alt can not charge fast enough and the current can't reach it's destination fast enough to prevent the lights from flickering. A flicker would be more of a quick loss of power at the lights opposed to a longer pause in brightness. The only real ways that I can think of to eliminate any flicker or diming what so ever is to add a second alt for just the stereo and have it not wired to any other devices in the car, or put an independent battery on the lights that is not charged by the alt at all that would need to be manually charged while the car is sitting or even by the alt in the car while not using the stereo. You could put a relay of sort on the wire from the alt to the lights to not charge when the stereo is powered on.

Yeah I knew it wasn't DJ's truck from the video. You can see it's an suv near the end when he's on the phone. Since I don't honestly know who's it is I just asked DJ why he did it since he's the team captain. He seemed like the most logical one to blame since he's the one that pushes all the Nemesis guys to the limit. Then you have Brandon who breaks everything he gets his hands on and I figured he may have had a hand in it as well. He's always trying to get me to break my own shit so I don't know why it would be any different with anyone else Also Steve I think you should keep the no wall setup in your Jimmy. Yes it would no doubt be louder if you went with a 4th order in a wall, but you are very loud with the little amount of equiptment that you are running and I know that you can get it much louder with more testing, Nightshade V2's, more power, and maybe even a new box. Don't wall it yet, it's got more in it for sure!

Really DJ? Why do you have to go and break shit? Did Brandon talk you into doing that?

Lol :01nocomment8so:

I can get you pricing on the alt for your car if you want. I'm not 100% if Dom makes one and I doubt that DC makes one either. It would more than likely be a custom job that would be done to get you setup. Pm me with any questionst that you may have about an Iraggi or if you want to talk to the man himself call 615-287-7991. He will be able to tell you if it is possible to get an alt into your car easily, but if you want I can get all the info from him and relay it to you. I'm here to help

You guys wanna wipe your noses off now? J/k, they do pretty good job over here on SMD.

I also do designs with drawings, cut list, and full detail of box specs for customers. I charge anywhere from $15-$30 depending on the size of the enclosure and the amount of detail going into it. I will say that my drawings aren't as good as Sam's or the others but what are you buying a drawing or a box that gets the fuck down? I do have a reputation of building and designing very very loud musical boxes so if you don't want something that's going to be your average run of the mill box hit me up. I'm also the guy here on the forum that specializes in aeroported boxes. It is where I have a great deal more experience then what I believe the others to. I actually reccomend flared ported boxes to all my customers and I will do slot ported boxes but I just know that an aero has so much more potential. All of the guys listed do good work from what I've seen, but if anyone wants a serious ground pounder design for their ride I'd say that I'm qualified to do that for you.

What part of the country are you in? Also congrats and welcome to the team.

1700 watts per level 4 even with level 5 coils is going to equal quite a few recones. I promise you that problems will arise if you run anymore than 1000-1200 watts on one of those subs on a daily basis. I've never seen anyone not have problems with them when running more than 1500 watts to them. I am speaking from personal experience too, and these woofers are not capable of that type of power. If your stuck on DC I believe that it's already been suggested that you should go with the level 4 xl. That would be the smarter choice for you, and would save you from quite a few headaches and emptying your pocket out quite often.

For a good 6K+ watts at .25 ohms I would suggest that you run a Sundown saz4500d. That amp will do every bit of the power that you want and then some. Not to mention that it will run at .25 for burps all day long as many other amps on the market will not. You can even play music on it at .5 all day every day if you want to. I do not think that a pair of level 4's will stand up to that kind of power no matter what amp you run to them producing 6K watts. Get yourself some subs that will handle the power or plan on reconing them a lot or just running less power in the end.