ohh ok...i need to get some subs that i know theyll get loud with what i have since i have a minivan and ill be competing here w/ that...we dont have street a, b or c here we have really weird cattegories and no rules so to be competitive i need atleast 150 cuz the loudest cars here on street are doing in the 150-155 range...but many of them are in the 16v range too.