2 12s or a 15?

[bass4thetruck]

12s have more cone area

yes but the kid probably wont want to buy a big amp to power 2 subs

They can do fine on 1200 rms

the guy put down a bad number so i cant contact him about the sa12s

[bass4thetruck]

12s have more cone area

yes but the kid probably wont want to buy a big amp to power 2 subs

I wouldn't consider a 1200 watt amp a big amp. But the the 12s are the best option for the reasons already stated.

but he might

[ncochran]

_{If his goal is output, I would go with the 12s. As far as an amp goes... "cheap" amp that pushes 1200W rms will run them just as well as a "good" amp that pushes 1200W rms The key is less in brand names and more in actual stats. ie... if a 3000W cheapo amp atcually puts out a clean 1200W for $150, it will sound identical to a $500 amp that is rated at 1000W but puts out 1200W. Output is Output (for the most part). But that is sorta off topic I guess.}

_{Either way in this case go with the 12s imo. If you have a set amount of power, it will be louder on the setup with more cone area most of the time.}

[XmaximuS]

All depends. I ran a single 15 for years and loved it. I changed over to

2 12s for the last 8 months and loving it more.. The 15 seems to have a

better efficiency on the low bass extension at lesser power. The 12s have

more over all detail and impact. both setups I can do bottle tricks(trunk)

but I cant do a cup trick(16oz.) with the 15 but I can with the 12s. Get a

professionally design box... They're are many. With that being said. I think

you cant go wrong with either sub setup..

X

[AI James]

All depends. I ran a single 15 for years and loved it. I changed over to

2 12s for the last 8 months and loving it more.. The 15 seems to have a

better efficiency on the low bass extension at lesser power. The 12s have

more over all detail and impact. both setups I can do bottle tricks(trunk)

but I cant do a cup trick(16oz.) with the 15 but I can with the 12s. Get a

professionally design box... They're are many. With that being said. I think

you cant go wrong with either sub setup..

X

almost everythign you stated is box dependant not 12 to 15 dependant

[Guest]

If his goal is output, I would go with the 12s. As far as an amp goes... "cheap" amp that pushes 1200W rms will run them just as well as a "good" amp that pushes 1200W rms The key is less in brand names and more in actual stats. ie... if a 3000W cheapo amp atcually puts out a clean 1200W for $150, it will sound identical to a $500 amp that is rated at 1000W but puts out 1200W. Output is Output (for the most part). But that is sorta off topic I guess.

Either way in this case go with the 12s imo. If you have a set amount of power, it will be louder on the setup with more cone area most of the time.

lol i wouldn't necessarily think that...bullshit.

edit: explain to me then why my $270 audioque 1200 made my woofers sound better than my old $150 audiopipe 1500 that blew up?

[XmaximuS]

All depends. I ran a single 15 for years and loved it. I changed over to

2 12s for the last 8 months and loving it more.. The 15 seems to have a

better efficiency on the low bass extension at lesser power. The 12s have

more over all detail and impact. both setups I can do bottle tricks(trunk)

but I cant do a cup trick(16oz.) with the 15 but I can with the 12s. Get a

professionally design box... They're are many. With that being said. I think

you cant go wrong with either sub setup..

X

almost everythign you stated is box dependant not 12 to 15 dependant

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This is so true that its scary.. Most guys get so caught up in woofer brands thinking that it will overcome a sub par box.

X

[ncochran]

somehow I tried to edit this post and it ended up reposting below. my bad. did not mean to +1 my post count.

[ncochran]

If his goal is output, I would go with the 12s. As far as an amp goes... "cheap" amp that pushes 1200W rms will run them just as well as a "good" amp that pushes 1200W rms The key is less in brand names and more in actual stats. ie... if a 3000W cheapo amp atcually puts out a clean 1200W for $150, it will sound identical to a $500 amp that is rated at 1000W but puts out 1200W. Output is Output (for the most part). But that is sorta off topic I guess.

Either way in this case go with the 12s imo. If you have a set amount of power, it will be louder on the setup with more cone area most of the time.

lol i wouldn't necessarily think that...bullshit.

edit: explain to me then why my $270 audioque 1200 made my woofers sound better than my old $150 audiopipe 1500 that blew up?

Am editing so that my reply doesn't seem as dickish as yours lol. No hard feelings, just saying....

Anyway, if you read my post I am talking about true watts. We all know a lot of companies are not cea compliant and that their stated RMS is inflated. We all know some other companies that intentionally underrate their stated RMS.

My post was simply saying that wattage is wattage. This is a true statement. 1 watt of power (clamped) = 1 watt of power (clamped). If you clamped both of those amps, you would have seen very different numbers. AQ being a better quality product, puts out power (actual power) a lot closer to their ratings than Audiopipe. It may take a 2kw audiopipe to put out the same amount of power (clamped) as an AQ1200. Different companies also base their advertised ratings off of different voltages which greatly affects things.

Also, unless a company is CEA compliant, they may or may not inflate thier ratings... Hifonics for example is a CEA compliant company which means that their amplifiers DO put out rated wattage at rated voltage (14.4 I believe). If you have ever clamped a brz2100 or any other of hifonics current lineups you will find that they are very close (generally a little higher than rated but not much). If you clamp a Sundown you will find that it puts out probably 15-20% more than rated. If you clamp a Dual, I expect you will find it is significantly less than rated...

If you were to adjust that Audiopipe to 700W (clamped) and adjust the AQ to 700W (clamped)... you would have exactly the same output (assuming crossover set points were the same, and input voltage remained constant). A watt is a watt provided the amplifier is not clipping. To saw that 1 watt is stronger than another watt does not make any sense at all. Here is a definition of Watt:

the SI unit of power, equivalent to one joule per second and equal to the power in a circuit in which acurrent of one ampere flows across a potential difference of one volt.

Or in more common terms

One watt is the rate at which work is done when an object's velocity is held constant at one meter per second against constant opposing force of one newton.

Any "Watt" meeting the above definition is equal to another "Watt" meeting the above definition.

Now back to the OP, sorry for thread jacking.

tl;dr

A watt is a watt provided it is actual clamped output and not manufacturer's advertised rating. Sorry for thread jacking

[Swordlordboy1234]

1 cheap "3000 max" power amp that might give you 1000 RMS, and is gonna be able to cook an egg at any given time and prob gonna pop itself in a year for $150? Or a 1200 RMS quality made amp for $250 that will not get hot and will most likely not break unless abused. Just saying