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Changing to a 4th order? Truth vs myths? Help


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I spent $570 total on woofers.

And have a 1k rms amp.

1996 GMC Sonoma
Four Fi BTL Neo 18's In 2:1 6th Order Bandpass
2 Ampere 5k's @ .5

TEAM FI
TEAM #LITHIUMCANTDEMO

 

On 10/20/2013 at 0:37 AM, KillaCam said:

Fucking with a Prius driver is like making fun of a disabled kid. Pussies.

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Yeah, don't mind me while I demolish 17-60hz and stay within 1.0db from 25-60hz and tear shit up.

That's pretty awesome performance! Would you mind sharing the specs on your box? I love to learn from your success.

"Nothing prevents people from knowing the truth more than the belief they already know it."
"Making bass is easy, making music is the hard part."

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Yeah, don't mind me while I demolish 17-60hz and stay within 1.0db from 25-60hz and tear shit up.

That's pretty awesome performance! Would you mind sharing the specs on your box? I love to learn from your success.

I second that

The L@zy Hoe

 

 

2005 Chevy Tahoe

2,500 Watts of Highs/Mids

4 10 midrange

4 6.5 midwoofers

4 Tweeters

6 Supertweeters

2 Lithium 80AH Batteries

24K Watts

4 Custom 18s

Quad alt setup Rebuilt 250amp and 3 370s

Interior work by Lone Star Auto Works

 

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On 12/5/2014 at 8:06 PM, juan777 said:

See yall there, I'll be the drunk Mexican with aviators on.

On 12/6/2014 at 10:32 PM, boom50cal said:

I did see Juan LMFAO! He REALLY WAS the drunk mexican with Aviators on!

 
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As stated earlier, I'm no genius in box design, but I will share my findings. Below you will find an Frequency Response Graph of my vehicle.

DSSEthosFreqResponse_zps01c785d0.png

The different colors shows different allignments. What I mean by that is, each test was done in different door/window/meter orientations. I show you this to advise you, not to put too much emphasis on software programs. They will never reflect real world findings.

Below, you will find all the details of the above test.

2007 Ford Explorer, B Pilar Wall

6 15" DSS Ethos

1 Taramp HD8000 wired at 3 ohms

Sealed Section 10cuft

Ported Section 35cuft

Port Area 896cuin

Port Tuning ~45hz

Test 1: Driver Window Open, Passenger Sealed, Meter Passenger Dash

Test 2: Driver Door Open, Passenger Sealed, Meter Passenger Dash

Test 3: Driver Window Open, Passenger Window Open, Meter Passenger Headrest

Test 4: Driver Door Open, Passenger Window Open, Meter Passenger Headrest

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I hope you find this information useful. My current useful bandwith is ~24hz-~55hz with an max SPL of 162.3 at 49hz with 24,000 watts and 10 batteries with a single 240 alt. Now again, this was part of the design, as I have no desire to play in the teens.

165db with 237 DC Volts

6 15" SSA Evils

3 HV Taramps T60k @.33

18 XS Power D3400s

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I literally paid like 398.69 for all 8. To me this was a cheap build. After I smoke these I will probably do little more research before buying my next set of subs.. kinda rushed into this the wrong way

Sounds like you got a decent deal, so I don't blame you for wanting to use those subs.

In regards to whether a regular ported box would be better, yes it would be, though not by a large margin. If performance is your primary goal, I'd go with the ported box. You may want to consider using some kind of removable or adjustable port system so you can tailor its performance to the task at hand (demos, competition, etc). With that being said, if the 4th order bandpass interests you more and you want something more challenging to design and build I say go for it.

My suggestions for ports would be if you do something like the 1:1 design I graphed I'd use two 12" round ports ~20.5" long, for your 2:1 design I'd up it to three 12" ports ~16.25" long. In either case I'd make the ports long, measure the tuning, and cut them down till the tuning is right where you want to be. Bandpass boxes tend to be more sensitive to the tuning being off than ported boxes are.

Ok this maybe a noob question but where in the world do I find a 12"port? The biggest I've seen is a 10 and that was sonotube.... Do they make 12" sonotube?

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It's actually an 11.5 diameter though

The L@zy Hoe

 

 

2005 Chevy Tahoe

2,500 Watts of Highs/Mids

4 10 midrange

4 6.5 midwoofers

4 Tweeters

6 Supertweeters

2 Lithium 80AH Batteries

24K Watts

4 Custom 18s

Quad alt setup Rebuilt 250amp and 3 370s

Interior work by Lone Star Auto Works

 

The Build Log

Like Loud Bass? Click Here!

 

On 12/5/2014 at 8:06 PM, juan777 said:

See yall there, I'll be the drunk Mexican with aviators on.

On 12/6/2014 at 10:32 PM, boom50cal said:

I did see Juan LMFAO! He REALLY WAS the drunk mexican with Aviators on!

 
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And I think I really would like to try the 4th order just for a challenge. But a 24 cubic foot ported box sounds intriguing as well lol. I will be buying wood this weekend. I estimate 4 sheets of mdf..

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