Inventors, Geniuses, And People Who Have Good Ideas Read Now.

[KWP369]

what about starting with the the cold air intake.

1 or more fans in the cold air intake could help charge battery's.

I don't think we should get away from useing gasoline or another combustible force to start out with.

Lets not start out with doing a 180 degree turn on how things work just yet.

I feel we should try to make it more efficent first then grow off of that.

i'm likin this one.... put a couple of fans inside the cold air intake.... they'll always have a steady amount wind so u'll never have to worry bout harnessin power... for start up just charge your battery at home and then while drivin ur battery will always stayed charged cuz of the fans inside of the cold air intake

[paul]

Wow, this is a pretty cool thread. So many ideas being toss around. Brainstorming, Brainstorming, Brainstorming. That's what we need. Well thought I just add my 2 cents. I too am also a believer in hydrogen being an alternative fuel source. I also believe that seawater may hold the key. So I was thinking, lets use what we already know. We know that engines need fossil fuel for combustion. We also know that crude oil can be turned into fuel and different lubricants used to make an engine work. We know that it is very expensive to ship, process, and refine crude oil. So crude oil is what we need to eliminate. The alternative fuel is what we need. Again, my choice is seawater.

So I thought what would happen if someone were to create an engine block that is designed to recreate a mini hurricane with seawater as fuel(I know it sounds stupid but I'm just thinking). And I mean the most violent mini hurricane within an engine block. That should be good enough to replace combustion. And it should be good enough to have enough energy to push pistons. If not a piston driven engine, then maybe a turbine driven engine with turbo fans connected to a drive shaft. A mini turbine engine that could fit under the hood of most cars and trucks.

Well, just a thought.

[Big P]

My family on my mothers side are really big in oil. My grandfather was a foreman on the Alaskan pipe line. They all say the gas crises is bull shit. The first reason is. Theres a untaped pool of oil in Alaska so big that it will supply the U.S. with gas and oil for a few hundred years. But the U.S. wont allow it to be taped. The second reason is that the Government payed U.S. refinery's not to build new refinery's that were able to refine U.S. oil instead they built refinery's able to refine over seas oil. Most of the oil pulled from U.S. soile is put in barrels and stuck in warehouses.

[MonkeyDog]

isnt nitrogen, and argon, some of the most inert gases known?

Yep, but there are a fair few Nitrogen compounds that could burn quite well, trouble is, it's not quite as easy as just plucking the stuff out of the sky, the sheer amounts of it needed couldn't be extracted from the atmosphere that easily, and I've no idea what the effects would be of taking a few million tonnes a day of nitrogen out of the atmosphere, the Nitrogen cycle itself ticks over as it is, I'd not want to fiddle with it...

i'm likin this one.... put a couple of fans inside the cold air intake.... they'll always have a steady amount wind so u'll never have to worry bout harnessin power... for start up just charge your battery at home and then while drivin ur battery will always stayed charged cuz of the fans inside of the cold air intake

Sorry to dissapoint but it wouldn't work. you'd convert a fraction of the amount of energy needed to spin the fans into electricity, a percentage of this amount would be stored in the batteries, and a small amount would be converted by the motors into movement - you'd end up with >50% of the enrgy needed to turn the small fans actually ending up at the wheels, and when you consider how easy to turn the fans would have to be to actually move, you might generate enough to power the sidelights. It simply wouldn't work as anything more than an aid to charging the batteries alongside a combustion engine, but even then the amount ot air resistance they'd generate would render it pointless...

[Scrubbalo]

Any one ever hear of the Joe cell?

www.thejoecell.com/

[ISO]

Any one ever hear of the Joe cell?

www.thejoecell.com/

WOW, I just never realize how many possibilities are out there.

[IH8PunkRok]

Any one ever hear of the Joe cell?

www.thejoecell.com/

now that is interesting. not sure i understand all of it but it seems like a genuine scientific discovery

paul- i give u points for being creative but creating a contained hurricane on que and harnessing the power of it to move a car at will is a little farfetched. keep tryin though

MonkeyDog- u arent allowed to leave this thread u have some good knowledge about chemistry and its very useful

lets work backwards here. we need rotational force to move the wheels. the rotational force is made by the engine which utilizes linear forces (for combustion engines) and rotational forces (for electric motors). now in order to get the linear/rotational force we need a source of energy (either chemical or electric or both). so wut we need is a source of mass potential energy that can be unlocked by chemical means and be turned into electricity or used to create linear force on a piston. (i.e. an explosion) but with combustion comes the risk of harmful emissions.

how hard would it be to mimick the human digestive sytem effectively? breaking down things into basic glucose molecules which go through processes to create ATP. i figure if ATP worx for us and animals why not for our cars?

[paul]

Hey, what do you think of this. "Fire from Salt Water"

[Noobtastic14]

Hey, what do you think of this. "Fire from Salt Water"

far to inefficient from what i've read- possible but not practical

-Drew

[MonkeyDog]

I know next to nothing about chemistry- Left school at 16 (normal school-leaving age here) with nothing more than a Science GCSE (nothing special)

Guess it's just because I still remember most of it. I think the major thing to remember here is that you can't make, or dispose of energy, only convert it from one form to another. Once you consider that it's a bit easier to grasp the sheer size of the problem, at the moment we're perfectly happy converting chemical potential in petrol into kinetick energy using a combustion engine- this stuffs been mashed together and compressed at high temperature for millions of years, and the enviroment/conditions for more to be made simply don't exist anymore (besides perhaps one or two TINY remote areas)

There's nothing much we can do but look for the next best thing as quickly as possible- the oil companies are scrabbling over one another to get this done as whichever one finds the best solution will have an extremely profitable future, possibly running into the amounts they could only dream of making from oil, it's big business!

I think one major issue is the amount of energy needed- Take Biofuels for example, all well and good, and besides the emissions from farming and refining them the fuel itself should be near carbon-neutral (In theory the plants should consume at least as much Co2 during Photosynthesis as is released during the burning process) but in reality there are other major issues- they're expensive to produce and most importantly take up a lot of land that could be put to better use (which brings up other major ethical issues- is it right for the richer countries to potentially starve poorer countries just to run their cars/factories/ships/planes, what if we start knocking down rainforests?)

(Biofuels used just as an example- they are kindof topical over here as from today all fuel sold at UK petrol stations must be at least 2.5% biofuel by law- some kind of crazy new envirocrap that's apparently going to save the world )

Hey, what do you think of this. "Fire from Salt Water"

A really cool discovery, but imagine the amount of energy you'd need to create a big enough radio wave at the right frequency to make enough hydrogen to run a car for a few minutes, it'd be a lot no doubt!

I think the big thing a lot of people miss is just the size of the problem- it's not just having to pay more for our fuel- think of how many plastics are produced using chemicals from crude oil, the ships and planes that bring everything to our local stores, the list is nearly endless!

I'm not some enviro-preaching hippy or anything, Infact I'm pretty much as uinenviromentally friendly as is possible in modern britain (what with all the enviro-meddler taxes they've thrown at us) and I'm confident that something will be found to replace it but I've no idea what it'll be (If any of us REALLY knew, we'd be amongst the richest men in the world right about now)