New System For $1000-1500?

[Derrick824]

Kicker against RF?!?

They're both quality, reputable companies with solid products. Both have their strong and weak points. You would have to have a very specific & detailed comparison to even try to put one against the other. In the end I believe someones choice between the two will come down to brand loyalty rather than facts anyway.

[Chris]

Kicker against RF?!?

They're both quality, reputable companies with solid products. Both have their strong and weak points. You would have to have a very specific & detailed comparison to even try to put one against the other. In the end I believe someones choice between the two will come down to brand loyalty rather than facts anyway.

Unless you're talking about comparing SQ because kicker is designed to get loud, RF is designed to get loud and low and sound good doin it.

[LSN2meBoom916]

[Chris]

"He who asks the question is foolish until he has the answer, the one who never asks is foolish forever"

How foolish are those who resort to childish ribbing instead of knowledge and proper debate?

[LSN2meBoom916]

Well,

IMO/experience, the "my brand is better than your brand" argument is waaaaaaay played out and NEVER ends well, if it EVER ends @ all.

Maybe I was a lil premature in trying to nip this one in the bud before it turned into one of those "F-you!..F-ME? NO F-YOU!" flame wars that RUIN forums.

If you're gonna debate thats all well and good and I won't hate on you for that alone, but it should be kept to grown up debate and EVERYONE must realize that regargless of how good anything sounds, IF THE GUY YOU'RE ARGURING WITH HAS NEVER HEARD IT, OR ANYTHING "THAT GOOD" chances are you're comparing apples and oranges again and THATS 1/2 the point of that picture.It's the internet, even if I hooked up my "better than yours" products and played them for you in a video...the mic would blurr it all and it'd sound horrible which is why all those haters that attempt to shit talk steve's videos on break and youtube say shit like "did you hear all that distortion!? OMG WTF!" etc. Anyone who's heard steve's setup will tell you it sounds incredibly good esp considering he has 4-giant woofers as a low end. Difficult to "balance" w/ the mids no doubt...=Steve's got knowledge/skill.

If you tell someone there's a Component set that costs $10k, and the BEST they've ever heard was a $300 set and THAT $300 set took first place at 100 SQ comps in a ROW (good golly). GOOD LUCK convincing him the $10k set is worth it.

I have heard awsome sound come from speakers that I myself have "clowned" for being BOTTOM barrel and not worth the box they came in.

Which brings a nice point about THE WORK THAT GOES INTO DESIGN and PLANNING of a HI-AUDIO setup.

Most folks know how long the "big dawgs" in the audio game have been doing and that they have elarned along the way to do it right and test/plan/overthink before they start building it that way there is a better chance their 1st/2nd attempt is a KILLER, rather than a laugh fest.

So flame each other's fav brands all you want as long as we can keep it adult, and KNOW: there is a limit to how hard you should even try to convince someone your fav brand is best, unless you OWN STOCK IN THEM, it's just not worth the agrevation.

[lovellsz]

i have heard both kicker and fosgate subs and they were good, however i use JL Audio for my subs, and RF for my amps. And i am not going to dog another brand if i have never had experence with it. Thats why you will never see me talk bad about kicker, i have heard them and all, but i have never worked with them due to the fact i just dont like the look, not much other than that. But i wont fault them for that, and will not talk bad about them.

[LSN2meBoom916]

I can feel you on not being into a company based on looks for sure.

I REALLY wish RF would go back to the old look and I think the only time i'd run the new ugly woofers would be in a bandpass w/ no windows in the box.

Other brands too, some are just a turn off in the aesthetics dept and need a redesign but the most powerfull way to impact the design guys is stop buying it until they make it pretty again or vice versa (if it's pretty but not loud boycott until they bring the boom back)

All I hear is about how the Power T-line of RF subs are great, and I have found many folks "posting ###'s" both on the mic and having pics to back it up and through hearsay but noentheless, the SPL ###'s DON'T give you ANY idea of the SQ that some of us want in a daily so until you hear a given brand "under ideal conditions" and IMO you need to hear it in more than one setup as a comparison. you can't really say one's ALL OUT BETTER than another one, other than "THIS got louder in THIS setup" vs a different one. The vehicle has a lot to do w/ it too.

Ask Tommy to pull the 150db on a TL in an SUV instead of a small cab pickup. Or a trunk car maybe?

Right now I would side w/ the RF power series amps and even some of their lower/entry level stuff seems to get it done IMO w/ a very nice look as well. I would pick kicker (and did) over the new Fosgate stuff but I still have love for the old scholl RF stuff and thus I have used fosgate in 3 of the builds I posted (HX2'S in the lexus and mustang and HE2's in the RSX)

Edited February 24, 2007 by LSN2meBoom916

[Chris]

Well,

IMO/experience, the "my brand is better than your brand" argument is waaaaaaay played out and NEVER ends well, if it EVER ends @ all.

Maybe I was a lil premature in trying to nip this one in the bud before it turned into one of those "F-you!..F-ME? NO F-YOU!" flame wars that RUIN forums.

If you're gonna debate thats all well and good and I won't hate on you for that alone, but it should be kept to grown up debate and EVERYONE must realize that regargless of how good anything sounds, IF THE GUY YOU'RE ARGURING WITH HAS NEVER HEARD IT, OR ANYTHING "THAT GOOD" chances are you're comparing apples and oranges again and THATS 1/2 the point of that picture.It's the internet, even if I hooked up my "better than yours" products and played them for you in a video...the mic would blurr it all and it'd sound horrible which is why all those haters that attempt to shit talk steve's videos on break and youtube say shit like "did you hear all that distortion!? OMG WTF!" etc. Anyone who's heard steve's setup will tell you it sounds incredibly good esp considering he has 4-giant woofers as a low end. Difficult to "balance" w/ the mids no doubt...=Steve's got knowledge/skill.

If you tell someone there's a Component set that costs $10k, and the BEST they've ever heard was a $300 set and THAT $300 set took first place at 100 SQ comps in a ROW (good golly). GOOD LUCK convincing him the $10k set is worth it.

I have heard awsome sound come from speakers that I myself have "clowned" for being BOTTOM barrel and not worth the box they came in.

Which brings a nice point about THE WORK THAT GOES INTO DESIGN and PLANNING of a HI-AUDIO setup.

Most folks know how long the "big dawgs" in the audio game have been doing and that they have elarned along the way to do it right and test/plan/overthink before they start building it that way there is a better chance their 1st/2nd attempt is a KILLER, rather than a laugh fest.

So flame each other's fav brands all you want as long as we can keep it adult, and KNOW: there is a limit to how hard you should even try to convince someone your fav brand is best, unless you OWN STOCK IN THEM, it's just not worth the agrevation.

I'm not the one calling people retards for simply posting an opinion and/or statement. Advice is all that was offered and asked for to begin with. Please, instead of sharing silly images, share some of the knowledge you preach about beforehand. We are all here to learn and get along.

[LSN2meBoom916]

Ok,

1st-Chris-I wasn't singling you out, it was directed at the COLLECTIVE back and forthing over kicker vs RF.

2nd- well if you're gonna be butthurt, I guess thats fine too.

Like I said, I may have posted it PREMATURELY in an effort to keep the haters in check, but I guess you can't see where I'm comin from that one.

If you wanna dwell on it go ahead.

If you read what I said you should see that my point was that ARGUING about it was the retarded part. Giving ur opinion and stating what FACTS lead you to it is a more constructive method than just saying one is better than the other. That was my point-just make sure you back up why you say what you say (everyone, myself included)

Race result: Please say you'll settle for a tie...

[Chris]

Truce Agreed...

But back in topic, I see where youre coming from and really I suppose the truth is, any brand can probably sound great in the right install. I gotta admit that in those vids of the integra even though it was a camera mic, you could tell those CVR's were hittin and sounding good doin it