Nightshade Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Get yourself a Sundown saz3500d for those subs. I would then run the 4 dual 1's so you could wire each coil in series to get 4 2 ohm subs, then wire all 4 subs together in parallel to get a final impedence of .5 ohms. That is where that amp will do some serious power, probably right around 1K per sub at max power. That should work nicely and if you want to get crazy you could try a saz4500d but that would be over your budget of $1,000. Or if you want amps right now I'll sell you a pair of Sundown saz2000d's that are in very nice condition. They are rated at 2000 watts at 1 ohm and can be run down to .5 ohms as well. If you wanted to you could run the dual 2's still to get .5 ohms per amp and do a nice 1200 watts per sub that way. If your interested I'd do the pair of them shipped to you for $1050. Let me know cause I'm supposed to be trading them into Sundown on a pair of saz3500's next Friday. Edit: Woops, I didn't see that the sub wasn't offered in dual 1's like I suggested to run for a saz3500d. Instead you could just run the dual 4's to do the same thing. Except you would have to wire all the coils in parallel to 2 ohms per sub. Then wire each set of subs together to get 1 ohm, and then wire each set that are at 1 ohm together to get to .5 ohms. The suggestion for the dual 2's and a pair of saz2000d's is still right though. Edited February 11, 2010 by Nightshade Quote 2013 VW Jetta GLI 2.0 Turbo 1 Sundown Audio SCV2000 1 Sundown Audio X15 V2 1 XS Power D3100 Audio Control LC6i Stock Deck 146.4 sealed on the dash at 37hz 2001 Focus ZX3: RETIRED Team Sundown Audio, Team XS Power, 2 time NSPL Car 3601-Up Champion, 2 time NSPL Car Hardcore ChampionHighest NSPL Scores to date:154.3db on the dash sealed at 46hz, 156.2db in the kick at 46hz155.2db unofficial on dash at 43hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISO Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Get yourself a Sundown saz3500d for those subs. I would then run the 4 dual 1's so you could wire each coil in series to get 4 2 ohm subs, then wire all 4 subs together in parallel to get a final impedence of .5 ohms. That is where that amp will do some serious power, probably right around 1K per sub at max power. That should work nicely and if you want to get crazy you could try a saz4500d but that would be over your budget of $1,000.Or if you want amps right now I'll sell you a pair of Sundown saz2000d's that are in very nice condition. They are rated at 2000 watts at 1 ohm and can be run down to .5 ohms as well. If you wanted to you could run the dual 2's still to get .5 ohms per amp and do a nice 1200 watts per sub that way. If your interested I'd do the pair of them shipped to you for $1050. Let me know cause I'm supposed to be trading them into Sundown on a pair of saz3500's next Friday. Edit: Woops, I didn't see that the sub wasn't offered in dual 1's like I suggested to run for a saz3500d. Instead you could just run the dual 4's to do the same thing. Except you would have to wire all the coils in parallel to 2 ohms per sub. Then wire each set of subs together to get 1 ohm, and then wire each set that are at 1 ohm together to get to .5 ohms. The suggestion for the dual 2's and a pair of saz2000d's is still right though. Is it really a good idea to recommend setups that will void his amplifier warranty? And don't forget about efficientcy too! Edited February 11, 2010 by ISO Quote Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one. "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Destruction of a person builds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Is it really a good idea to recommend setups that will void his amplifier warranty? agree dont tell people they can do stuff tat will most likely get them in trouble that being said Stetsom 2k6d is another option or the 2k5d well within your budget not saying this is your best choice but it is certainly another one to look at Edited February 11, 2010 by IH8PunkRok Quote -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Is it really a good idea to recommend setups that will void his amplifier warranty?And don't forget about efficientcy too! Are you honestly serious? Not to mention that if he were to purchase used Sundown amps from a private owner there is no waranty with the amp. So....... The saz line of amps are pretty much bullet proof anyway. I'm not going to say do it or not but let's just throw it out there in either situation. He has the option of 2 ohm or 4 ohm subs. Option 1, 4 dual 4 ohm subs at 1 ohm (not voiding waranty if purchased new cause Iso's being a baby about it) the best configuration here would be the pair of saz2000d's that I suggested. Each coil would be run in parallel and each set of subs in parallel to give you 1 ohm at each amp, thus providing a solid 1000 watts of power to each sub Option 2, 4 dual 2 ohm subs at 1 ohm This would give you the option of wiring each sub to 1 ohm. Then could wire each set of subs to 2 ohms and then the two sets parallel down to 1 ohm for the saz3500d. This would be less power and I still say run that bitch at .5 if you have at least 3 group 31 batteries. Now on to the efficiency remark. Again I will say are you serious? Have you ever even measured efficiency of an amp to begin with, do you even know how to? No because it doesn't matter at all as long as it puts out power. Quote 2013 VW Jetta GLI 2.0 Turbo 1 Sundown Audio SCV2000 1 Sundown Audio X15 V2 1 XS Power D3100 Audio Control LC6i Stock Deck 146.4 sealed on the dash at 37hz 2001 Focus ZX3: RETIRED Team Sundown Audio, Team XS Power, 2 time NSPL Car 3601-Up Champion, 2 time NSPL Car Hardcore ChampionHighest NSPL Scores to date:154.3db on the dash sealed at 46hz, 156.2db in the kick at 46hz155.2db unofficial on dash at 43hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 agreedont tell people they can do stuff tat will most likely get them in trouble that being said Stetsom 2k6d is another option or the 2k5d well within your budget not saying this is your best choice but it is certainly another one to look at Get them into trouble. Have you ever owned a Sundown saz amp? If not then I don't expect you to know how hard they are to break when you have some common sense while using it. I'm only suggesting something that the owner of the company does all the time. Jacob runs his amps even lower for burps at .25 ohms. Almost every member on Team Sundown runs their saz amps at .5 ohms for daily or burping. There are hundreds of people that do it. The thing that gets them into trouble is not having a stout enough electrical to support the amp. I have honestly never had an issue myself and I ran a pair of saz1500's at .5 ohms each off 1 battery and a stock alt not too long ago. The protection circuit is there for a reason and it works. I honestly don't know how some of the fools out there hurt these amps :01nocomment8so: Quote 2013 VW Jetta GLI 2.0 Turbo 1 Sundown Audio SCV2000 1 Sundown Audio X15 V2 1 XS Power D3100 Audio Control LC6i Stock Deck 146.4 sealed on the dash at 37hz 2001 Focus ZX3: RETIRED Team Sundown Audio, Team XS Power, 2 time NSPL Car 3601-Up Champion, 2 time NSPL Car Hardcore ChampionHighest NSPL Scores to date:154.3db on the dash sealed at 46hz, 156.2db in the kick at 46hz155.2db unofficial on dash at 43hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8PunkRok Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Get them into trouble. Have you ever owned a Sundown saz amp? If not then I don't expect you to know how hard they are to break when you have some common sense while using it.I'm only suggesting something that the owner of the company does all the time. Jacob runs his amps even lower for burps at .25 ohms. Almost every member on Team Sundown runs their saz amps at .5 ohms for daily or burping. There are hundreds of people that do it. The thing that gets them into trouble is not having a stout enough electrical to support the amp. I have honestly never had an issue myself and I ran a pair of saz1500's at .5 ohms each off 1 battery and a stock alt not too long ago. The protection circuit is there for a reason and it works. I honestly don't know how some of the fools out there hurt these amps :01nocomment8so: dont get offended. im simply saying something to protect our community. as you said "as long as you have some common sense using them" it is best to assume people we dont know have no common sense. we dont really have a background story on this guy so we have no idea what he knows or doesnt know better to be safe than stupid Quote -Matt2005 Dodge Magnum RTJVC KD-AVX1 2 PPI S580.2 Obsidian Audio ST1 Horn Tweeters PRV 8MB450s Audio Legion 3500.1D 2 RE MT 18s 360 ah LiFePO4 BatterySHCA 2/0 155.2 @ 29 hzKicker CVR 15's buildDD 3512e buildMini T-Line Build(6) 8s BuildNightshade 15s Wall BuildMagnum AB XFL 12s BuildNewest Magnum Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISO Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hey I didn't know that you knew this guy well enough to know his capabilties. I'm not going to make suggestions to someone that is a stranger to me that will comprimise his setup. Jake has stated very clearly that he does not want to honor a .5 ohm warranty. What exactly is wrong with staying within the manufactures parameters? Whats so bad about 4 dual 2 ohm subs on a SAZ-3500? If he is ported then that is more than enough power. To be honest I really shouldn't try and respond to the things you say as I know I'm looking out for the best interest of the OP. Quote Isobaric - Refers to the practice of coupling two drivers together to make them act as one. "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Destruction of a person builds character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Mac_1 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Running a saz3500d on 1 ohm would already be overpowering the subs, so I don't really see the point of running it at .5 ohms. You gotta kinda weigh the benefits of the extra power vs. the drawback of potentially cooking the subs. Better to be safe than sorry. Quote 2002 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Alpine SPX-17REF 6.5" components (active) Sundown SAX-50.4 Sundown z15 (3 cubes @ 35 hz) Sundown SAX-1200D 2006 Buick Rainier CXL AWD V8 Stock Bose system 12" Alpine Type E in aeroported box Profile AP1000M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) I guess it's a bit hard for me to think that if you have the ability to do something with equiptment then why not do it. As far as it being too much power for the subs yes I guess so but I overpower every single speaker in my car. It all goes with the common sense issue. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt since he doesn't seem like he's got no sense at all. If he were making a thread that said will this be louder than that then I'd say just go to Walmart and buy your setup. He asked a well educated question and I gave him my HONEST opinion on what I would do if it were me. I would run either a saz3500d at .5 ohms or a pair of saz2000d's at .5 ohms each weather the woofer was a 600 watt sub or not. For example I am going Friday to get a pair of 3500's for my car and planning on trading in my pair of 2000's for them. Guess what I'm going to use them to power. A SINGLE Nightshade with dual 1 ohm coils. Can you guess how I'm gonna do it? I'm gonna strap the pair at .5 ohms so each amp see's .25 ohms. So that's going to be around 8K watts on a sub that has a rms of around 2K watts. This is what I would do, so like I said my honest opinion is what I gave him as long as he's responsible with it. I do want to note that I will not be playing music with the amps strapped at .5 ohms. However for daily I will be using a pair of Nightshades wired down to .5 ohms on each sub so they should be seeing around 3500 watts on music a piece. No big deal :D :D :D :D :D Edited February 12, 2010 by Nightshade Quote 2013 VW Jetta GLI 2.0 Turbo 1 Sundown Audio SCV2000 1 Sundown Audio X15 V2 1 XS Power D3100 Audio Control LC6i Stock Deck 146.4 sealed on the dash at 37hz 2001 Focus ZX3: RETIRED Team Sundown Audio, Team XS Power, 2 time NSPL Car 3601-Up Champion, 2 time NSPL Car Hardcore ChampionHighest NSPL Scores to date:154.3db on the dash sealed at 46hz, 156.2db in the kick at 46hz155.2db unofficial on dash at 43hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc.btl Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I guess it's a bit hard for me to think that if you have the ability to do something with equiptment then why not do it. As far as it being too much power for the subs yes I guess so but I overpower every single speaker in my car. It all goes with the common sense issue. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt since he doesn't seem like he's got no sense at all. If he were making a thread that said will this be louder than that then I'd say just go to Walmart and buy your setup. He asked a well educated question and I gave him my HONEST opinion on what I would do if it were me. I would run either a saz3500d at .5 ohms or a pair of saz2000d's at .5 ohms each weather the woofer was a 600 watt sub or not.For example I am going Friday to get a pair of 3500's for my car and planning on trading in my pair of 2000's for them. Guess what I'm going to use them to power. A SINGLE Nightshade with dual 1 ohm coils. Can you guess how I'm gonna do it? I'm gonna strap the pair at .5 ohms so each amp see's .25 ohms. So that's going to be around 8K watts on a sub that has a rms of around 2K watts. This is what I would do, so like I said my honest opinion is what I gave him as long as he's responsible with it. I do want to note that I will not be playing music with the amps strapped at .5 ohms. However for daily I will be using a pair of Nightshades wired down to .5 ohms on each sub so they should be seeing around 3500 watts on music a piece. No big deal :D :D :D :D :D ^^^ sounds beefy as hell!!! to OP: how about 2 aq 3500's i know prob not the best amp mentioned but still alot of power for your price range:D Quote 2004 Grand Prix HU: Alpine 9886 for sale Sub Amp:AQ2200d (possbly 2) Enclosure:BCP Designs. Best for the Money Electrical:1 Stinger SPV70 battery Subs:2 15 D2 AQ HDC coppers Wiring:0gauge power SoundQuest Wiring:0gauge ground Kicker 141.8 @ 28hz tl legal on the dash. 142.6 @ 33hz tl legal on the dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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