my goals with this build arent to be loud (well... yeah they are) but i want a really nice sq setup i dont want to shake any windows and a really want to keep weight down as much as possible im not against giving up the center speaker i just figured it was there for a reason for the sound stage to sound right i love how my car sounds now but it is REALLY lacking low end and it distorts at higher volumes... volumes that it shouldnt.... i think a full focal setup would be nice (except for the sub of course cause their 8" sub is like 1200)