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How is the sae1000d rated at 1000 rms and requires 120 amps of fusing, but the 600d is rated at 600 rms and only requires 50 amp of fusing? I have often wondered how the sax125.4 could make the power it claims to make with merely 2 30 amp fuses. Thanks for the insight!

Neopro 10s are being sold ultra cheap... Like 2 for the reg price.... I didn't know these were actually older models. I guess that explains the cheapness. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEO-PRO-10-SUNDOWN-AUDIO-10-4-OHM-MIDRANGES-MIDS-DRIVERS-NEOPRO-10-PAIR-NEW-/121052364074 http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-OF-NEO-PRO-10-V2-SUNDOWN-AUDIO-10-8-OHM-MIDBASS-SUB-MIDRANGES-DRIVERS-NEW-/130991268563?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item1e7fb022d3 They seem to carry a lot of product! Impressive

So, I continuously see "woofers ect" (the king on online sundown audio sales) listing products for well below MAP. 1. Is there anything wrong with these products? 2. How can they sell them so cheap? How come they don't have to follow the MAP pricing rules like everybody else? 3. How can they afford it (I have seen neo pro drivers listed for what is deemed as "below dealer cost") Are these some type of damaged or second grade products?

I don't think it would own a cvr.... how about a classic comp which is much more comparable. Even at that, the new sundown sub will most likely be an even lower price point. Compare it against an L7 if you want, but I just believe it should be more apples to apples.

Lowered the MAP on amps drastically... maybe the dealers get that same break on dealer cost?

Because it gives more output.

it is approx the same as other 0awg and current kinda depends on distance

There was a lot more said all around that changes context a bit. Sometimes, context is everything.

I successfully answered orionstang's question right off the bat and you started in on me again. Once again, you throw around a lot of opinions and assumptions and your internet buddies back you up. Congratulations, you won the internet battle! I tried to stick to the facts, including what I was told by the nice folks at sundown. That is all I ever try do. Some people just cant handle it.

you shouldnt have removed my last reponses...they really set the record straight

I'm sorry. Of course you didn't attack me, but you wanted to be part of the nerd bash too. Ammunition is limited and you reached into the dreaded spelling grenade pile. How's that working for you?

Can anyone quote from this thread when I said I was never wrong?

here we goooooo... When all else fails, attack spelling mistakes and typos!

The new sundown multi-channel will be capable.

I love Sundown, but it is quite obvious thst their customer service has been suffering. This happens with all companies though. I am used to it. Seems as if Sundown has gotten too big for their briches and/or they are under-staffed/disorganized/under-funded

Damn, nice amp, but it looks like I am going to get my whole pocket ripped off to get one.

I doubt he will use those baskets as they are stamped steel... not exactly the standard for high end drivers these days. I do agree with you though, the e looks nice.

In for the Pron.

You guys are tripping me out with all this chassis and frame talk.... I am pretty sure that a Jeep Grand Cherokee is a Unibody with no frame.

I also wouldn't tune that low, you will have poor poor output at middle and upper bass frequencies. 30Hz with a med size box should suffice.

Just about any sub will play low if in an oversized box or in a minimum recommdended size with a low low tuning. Look for a low Fs in the sub specs. Those generally play lower.

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I love jl. Their amps are awesome. My next daily driver will not be loud and will feature audison, hertz, jl, focal, dls, diamond, arc, or something along those lines. I will still have something that is stupid loud, but not a daily driver.

EL OH EL you sure you didnt have a ib3? And its been said before, lack of motor strength from a 2.5" coil on a 18" cone isnt practical. Plus the sa line is probably the most popular line sundown has for dealer sales (guess). And most people who go to dealers arent looking for 18s. I have had a huge "crush" on sundown since fox_racin4 has been getting his stuff shipped to me lol. Cant wait for the new lines and new things happening this year The SA line is the most popular, but I am betting the E line will take over. If the 18s were produced, they would sell, Period. Online sales is the majority of Sundown sales anyways. An 18" sub in a vehicle isn't really practical in the first damn place. I would not run an SA18 in my car, but I still want to see it made... damn obsidian My comment holds true on the Fi. An SA has a bigger motor than the ssd... Huge Pole vent... lol... The cooling is so shitty that one of my buddies younger brothers burnt a 3" flatwound coil with nothing more than a short run of unfused 8 guage and a 500 watt rms amp in a pickup truck. He didn't burn it all the way though... he didn't have a chance... he suffered from that famous las vegas tinsel design after a few months. Switched to a measly SA and it is louder and not burnt at all. Sub is like new.

WHAT are you saying? I was just rambling on from my previous post, thinking about why this gentleman didn't need large speaker wire for his application... Thinking back to all the people that insisted upon on us giving them the biggest speaker were for their system becuase it hits harder that way. of course you need multiple runs of 10 guage to support 10 amps of current.